[WORKLOG] Hardline watercooling on the budget + Primochill Vue + Review on Ebay Blocks

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    Hey all, I've recently dived in and decided to go hardline watercooling.
    I did not anticipate to watercool at all, with the dissatisfaction of the blower style on my GTX 670, I delved into watercooling in pursuit of a quieter and cooler system.

    Watercooling led to to purchase of the Fractal Design Define S, and with the spacious interior, I've decided its only right to fill out the interior with components :3

    I replaced the GTX 670 with a GTX 1060, but I was dissatisfied with the look, I've thought about watercooling with the EK Thermosphere.
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    So I decided to upgrade to a 1080 with a full waterblock, and and additional 140mm rad at the rear to go with it.
    Unfortunately, the 140mm rad will not fit mounted on the rear with the side panel, the rad sticks outwards, so I had to cut some metal strips to offset the rad from the fan. I had to be careful that it isn't too far offset that it hits the motherboard IO
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    I have forgotten to take more pictures of the work in progress,
    Here is the final photo before rinsing with Distilled water. I need to get combs for the 8 pin PCIE cable[​IMG]
     
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    Here is the parts I used
    CPU Block - EK Supremacy
    GPU Block - EK FE 1080
    Front Rad - Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 360mm Rear Rad -
    Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis 140GTS
    Ebay Pump & Res combo
    Ebay 14mm OD/10mm ID PETG tubing
    Ebay 14mm OD compression fitting, 3 O-ring seal

    All components were washed by running 1 part vinegar and 9 part Distilled water for 24 hours, Flushed with distilled water. Then the blocks were taken apart and scrubbed with toothpaste and toothbrush.

    Currently I'm running Primochill VUE in the loop, this is a very new fluid with showcase style shampoo effect. lets hope it stays that way for at least 3 months.
    I'll be giving update with the status of loop once a month.

    For lighting effects, I have 2 Hue+ Aer fans,
    And for LED strips I have a WS 2812 Strips controlled by an arduino nano

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    For some reason I really like the loops coming out of the GPU... you’ve got them very symmetrical.
     
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    Barrow V4 fittings that have 3 internal o-rings? They are great honestly better than "big brand names".
     
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    Yea, 3 internal o-rings with another ring for the compression, no leaks at all.

    Thanks man, the link from the Rad to GPU and the Res to Rad I'm really proud of, all the other bends, I would re-bend if I had more tubing haha
     
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    Very cool. :) I ended up ordering a lot of Barrow V4 fittings from Aliexpress (Flying Elephant) before this GST on any overseas order kicks in.

    Love this little build!
     
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    About 3 weeks have passed since filling the loop.
    There is a little settling of the fluids when after power off. However once powering back on the sediments recombine and I don't see any staining on the plexi.

    I redid the GPU comb, still not great.
    The camera didn't really pick up the settling on the GPU block.

    For the duration of the time I'll be testing the VUE .I'll I ensure that each day the system gets powered on for at least 15 mins and no more than 8 hours.
    I think I'll change the fluid in 9 weeks.

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    Would you sign up for using Vue again?
     
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    I would be hesitant to put it in my main Rig.

    I did not run into any issues if I kept that regime, no huge sediment nor separation. However it does appear to be a little hard on my nickle plated block. I have some bleed through across it now.

    The reason that I would not put it in my loops is of those regiments that I have set up. As Primochill specified that the system shall not see more than 8 hours of use per day, this is one of the deal breakers as I use the machine almost daily for work and having a strict time limit makes the system banal. I had to revert to be using my laptop a few times.
    In the end, I drained the loop and put the vue back in the bottle. It held up pretty well. It may be a nice addition for a side system but definitely not for my main machine due to the usage it gets.




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    Upcoming to do for this project.

    Swap out the z77 platform for newer platform. My currently platform looks so out of place with all the watercooling gear.

    Replace the 140mm rad with a 360mm on top. The current config looks streamline but its not great for airflow. I would like to add more radiator space to accommodate maybe a second card.

    Separate pump and reservoir combo, hopefully this will help with the pump noise. Currently there are some RPM ranges of the pump that work silent, and some that resonate very badly with the case. (Operates quietly between 1800-2000 RPM and 2600-2900 rpm, anything outside of this get loud)

    Test run VRM waterblocks from Ebay. So far I am fairly impressed with those cheap copper water blocks from eBay. They haven't leaked and perform quite well compared to mainstream blocks like the Supremacy and Raystorm. More results will come soon as i get around a full test bench for them.
    The current generation of motherboards all sport VRM heatsinks that focus on more form than function, as I will be doing heavy overclocking, I don't feel comfortable with them reaching up to 80C+, more uncomfortable than the fact that these cheap blocks could easily leak (leaking is probably a more riskier element than overheating but you know, all in the name of watercooling).[​IMG]
     
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    VRM BLOCK REVIEW
    So the VRM blocks came in today (I ordered them two weeks ago.)

    The package came unscathed and the first impressions were good, however I immediately noticed that the Z height of the two block sizes are different.
    I purchased the 8cm and the 6cm length. I did not purchase the 10cm one.
    This would be an issue as I intended to use 90 rotaries and connect them like a bridge

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858346928406538/IMG_20180824_152609.jpg
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858341702434816/IMG_20180824_151525.jpg

    Base is machined, smoothness is not necessary as we are using thermal pads, so I did not bother sanding it down
    However I feel the flow rate is not quite effective as there is a big channel down the middle and no copper fins
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858345531703296/IMG_20180824_151505.jpg
    I ended up molding silicone in the middle to restrict the flow to the bottom part of the block, it may not be necessary but I felt the need to direct the flow. Preliminary flow rate test suggest higher resistance, I may end up ripping it out depending on the temperatures of other component.

    Small diameter fittings fit
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858345221455901/IMG_20180824_152949.jpg

    We quickly ran into issues as i tried to put on my fat Hardline fitting. Screws are not recessed and therefore interfere with the fittings
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858347960205332/IMG_20180824_152358.jpg
    Time to bring out the file
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858350539964436/IMG_20180824_170254.jpg
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482858301898358785/IMG_20180824_170304.jpg

    It gave it more character however, it was tedious to shorten the screws, coupled along with a misaligned Z height, I abandoned the 6cm VRM block and used the stock heatsink. On my motherboard the top row consist of 3 phases for the SOC and one of the 4 doubled phases for the VCore. (4X2+3 phase power delivery) The top row should not see much load as iGPU will not be used, so its a big heat sink that only needs to dissipate one phase of power + the tiny amount required for the rest of the SOC (IMC, PLL etc)

    Here is a photo of it installed on my GA 270X Gaming 5, the overhang for the fitting just clears the chokes, looks neat. Happy days
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/482863392659472385/IMG_20180825_204138.jpg

    You may be able to see the silicone that I molded inside, I have yet to finish the rig.
    Test bench for 5ghz @ 1.33 v for a 7700k ran into the 85C for the VRM with no airflow. Nothing alarming but something I wish to address and see the results. I'm hypothesizing temperatures of 50C with a 20C water temp

    Final thoughts.

    Mixed bag of feelings, attention to detail is without doubt lacking, that I did not expect regardless. Having to take out the file and shorten to screws to ensure my fittings fit was a pain. This is however not an issue if skinner fittings or an extender is used.
    The lack of uniform Z height majorly puts a negative spin on my experience.
    Personally I would not bother again unless the stock heatsink is terrabad (i.e non existent).

    However paired with a universal GPU block, this might be a good choice for those who want to watercool their GPUs and also its VRM without the need for a pricey full cover blocks or attachment of unsightly heat sinks and or fans.
     
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    Currently redoing the loop with new parts.

    Calculated clearance?
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    Results are in.
    Room Temp 9C
    Water Temp 12C (Using my gpu idle as a gauge, its only 10w of heat output, the worse is 1C higher than measured)
    CPU Package Temp 35C
    VRM TEMP 36C
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282703350720626689/484535104224624642/unknown.png

    Is it overkill? Very much so.
    Did I gain much from cooling the VRM? Probably lost some water pressure so no.
    This does not account for GPU load, but with 2 360mm rads, there is more than enough radiator space for cooling.

    But in summer, room temperatures can get up to 35C around my place. So that is an additional 26C for average temps in the summer. +another 5-8C for GPU load.
    Bringing the loop temperature to a theoretical 45C average. This would mean the VRM would not be running at a barbecue temperatures of over 90C. Remember I was getting 85C on a 15C day without airflow, granted a fan would have helped.
    With this theory, the CPU should not be over 60C, which is what I mostly read as a threshold for kaby lake for stability in high overclock.

    Thanks for checking in! My photoes of the completed rig will be up soon
     
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    I still cannot manage to get the link from the GPU to the front rad right. Botched the bend at the rad, fitting doesn't grab on it tight. Doesn't leak ... yet so not going to use it.
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257964060476309504/487224539168636939/IMG_20180904_141247.jpg
    Currently using a not so symmetrical link until I order more tubing... maybe a D5 and more rads? You know its a project when there is never a finished build :D
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    Trust me the brown doesn't actually show that much without flash....
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    Added this 80mm noctua fan to extract the warmed air from the front rad so the top rad can get more fresh air from the 140mm above
     
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    Did more aesthetic work today.
    Painted the noctua fan white & black.
    Re did the GPU combs
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    Awesome paint job on the fan mate!
     
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    Cheers bud :thumbup:
     

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