Thanks for that tip vortex, I might try it. By the way, by 'roused' do you mean a slow stir? bob- I started it a week ago and the original gravity was 1052, and no I wasn't given an expected final gravity. I'm assuming that use of a specialty malt instead of simple sugars would place it higher though? It's sat on 1020 for two days but the last measurement was 1-2 days ago. Am I freaking out for no reason?