I didn't want to thread crap the poor guy, but this thread: http://forums.overclockers.com.au/threads/mac-pro-mid-2012-12-core-2-4ghz-xeon-16gb-ram.1232641/ $1500 reserve for a dual xeon you could probably pick up for under 500 if it wasn't an Apple. It's not just that. I regularly see 5+yo Apple laptops go for prices you could buy two new basic laptops for. I obviously don't see the value. Why do others here?