How does Apple hardware hold its value so well?

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  1. Myne_h

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    people are idiots.
     
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    It is insane. Used Mac Pros going for huge money.

    Supply and demand maybe? They are a premium product. But still.

    If you spec up a new iMac with an i7, 32Gb RAM, 1TB etc... it’s like $5.5k

    I guess computers/CPU speeds or the actual demands most people have haven’t moved on much. A 2012 Mac is still useful. Go back a few years and in 2001 a 1996 Mac would be unusable and slow.

    I just bought a 2011 27” iMac for $425 and it’s great :)
     
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    Ppl are buying the brand not the hardware?

    Pretty much this.
     
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    I still use my 2009 macbook every day. Can't get that kind of service from a Windows machine i'm afriad.

    Quality internally is beyond what HP/ACER/DELL offer, pull one apart and it's a work of art.

    But Windows Boxs will always run supreme for price/perf ratios.
     
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    It's a combination a few things.

    1. As mentioned above, they are popular for the mentioned reasons

    2. There's only one apple product, Ie. One iPhone, one MacBook, one iPad. Compared to Windows or Android where there's multiple brands, each with several models for the year. This market saturation brings prices does.

    3. Apple don't sell to wholesalers cheap. They keep their prices at a certain level and resellers rarely have a massive drop on price. You might have noticed when big retailers have higher sales, they don't include apple products. This is great for the second hand market.
     
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    How?
    My 2009 Macbook Pro takes 6mins to come out of hibernate, and another 3-4mins to then be usable.
    Opening up a 25kb spreadsheet then takes 3-5 mins
    A reboot takes upwards of 8 mins, more than two tabs in any browser limits the ability to have any other application open.
    Plus a number of other issues.

    (being that it now used to edit a spreadsheet once a week, it is nearly obsolete -- I just need to buy a replacement, this shouldn't be taxing to the system)
     
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    My best guess to answer that:

    Yours has less ram and a heavily fragmented spinning disc. Theirs has more ram and an SSD.
     
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    They seem to hold their value and still perform very well. 5 year old MBPr, still fantastic, quick, and great for everything but games.
     
  10. Luke212

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    People want to own a mac. It doesn't matter the hardware. What matters is people see the logo. So there is demand for the logo no matter what's inside, even if it's several years old.

    Also as said above, computers haven't changed much since 2011 and mainstream ssd in the 2000s, so there is less desire for a new one.
     
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    In all my repairing of family and friends laptops of various ages, brands and price points it's interesting that Windows laptops tend to be cheaply made and are pretty worn after a few years. The few exceptions I have see have been laptops that were essentially used as desktops with an external keyboard and mouse. My Surface Pro 3 is a great example, 3 years old and it still looks basically brand new, but then it spends most of its life docks and the keyboard is only used for the rare times I travel. Compared to other units I see around that really do look like they have dragged along the ground.
    Macs on the other hand, especially the aluminum ones, can still look pretty much brand new, even after many years of use. Maybe people are nicer to them because they are so damn expensive in the first place, but mostly I think they are just made of a more resilient material.

    Performance wise, anything 2010 or better running a Core series process still does pretty well, especially if it either came with or has been upgraded to an SSD. My wife is running a 2011 MacBook Air with 500GB SSD but only 4GB of RAM. It skipped that last few software upgrades but got updated to High Sierra which has worked pretty well for her (although I heard lots of complaints). To be very fair, this largely includes PC's too. Windows 10 will run on pretty basic specs down to 2GB RAM (like my daughters HP Steam 11" with 32GB eMMC, 2GB RAM and Celeron CPU. For basic web browsing, document creation or video watching it's fine, although opening up anything with flash or more than a couple of tabs it can really start to slow down). The point being that modern machines are pretty capable and can last much longer than they used to, Mac or PC.
     
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    SSD upgrade makes a huge difference. My 2009 MacBook runs as well as my 2015 iMac for most basic tasks with an SSD and 4GB ram. Would probably boot quicker too although I’ve not timed it. Prior to the SSD and ram upgrade it was pretty useless.
     
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    I've still got an old 2008 macbook, and with 4GB ram and an SSD it's still quite usable for basic stuff.
     
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    2006 Dell inspiron 6400 here, running W8.1 perfectly fine
     
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    We also have a dell 6400 working fine. Still on windows xp!!!

    In fact its not uncommon for me to servicing 10+ year old computers. Two weeks ago added some ram to a 478 socket pentium 4 system.

    Sure the $299 laptops at harveys are shit. But saying "windows machines are unreliable" etc is a joke.

    I do repaires on pcs. So I also do apples as thats all they are...
     
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    I think it's mainly the OS too - My 2011 HP ProBook (although SSD and 16GB RAM) absolutely flies with macOS on it.

    The Windows argument is dumb though, I mean the entry level consumer HP laptop is going to be flimsy crap compared to a top end ZBook mobile workstation. It's also going to be $200 vs. $4000...
     
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    A number of reasons give Mac a longer service life. Some of these don't apply to expert users, but they do apply to the majority of people.

    - OS X tends to be easier to maintain due to the design of the UI that limits configuration options exposed and sticks to a relatively simple install/uninstall process for apps.
    - The installed base is tiny compared to Windows so there's less malware targeting it.
    - The hardware (particularly the exterior) is generally better designed, including the quality and finish of components as well as design features that minimise certain common kinds of damage (e.g MagSafe power cables).
    - The user experience across hardware and software has been deliberately, iteratively designed for usability over generations now. Apple are selective in what they add to their products and do so based on what adds to that experience. For example, their introduction of high DPI screens, high colour gamut, etc. These features often keep the computer competitive in key areas for many years.
    - The deliberately limited range of supported hardware allows more comprehensive testing of device drivers, etc, resulting in less obscure bugs.
    - Apple Stores have face-to-face customer service far superior to most PC vendors, whether that's PC hardware vendor support phone/online, department store sales staff, or specialist PC shop geeks. Again, the limited hardware range to support results in the problem knowledgebase being more comprehensive, so a higher proportion of problems can be resolved.
    - Apple Stores take customer service to the next level, running free lessons in common computer usage suitable to complete newbies. Nobody else does that to a meaningful degree.

    I'm sure I've missed a few, but they are the main ones.
     
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    That specific example is in high demand.
    Everyone has their reasons for choosing Apple devices over alternatives, but with a dual xeon 2012 pro, there were very few to begin with, and they keep up with the trashcan 2013 pro's.
    You can build a VERY fast mac with a dual xeon pro.

    It is exactly the same as bidding on a dual xeon HP workstation (which i have seen advertised for well over $1000)

    Why a 2012 macbook air seems to be worth more than a 2012 top end HP... people are willing to pay it. Comparing a $500 mac to 2 cheap bargain basement new laptops is just silly though.

    Ignoring fanboyism, it is never a good idea to buy a cheap new $250 laptop when you could have a second hand enterprise grade dell or lenovo for the same money.

    Why I would pay more? Because a mac is the only device that lets me run every possible x86 operating system legally and easilly.
     
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    I have a 13" Air and I love the thing. The OS is less of a debate for me because I can run Windows and Linux naitvley or in a VM . I'm not an apple fanboy, but I'd be lying if I said i didn't like the integration between my Air and my iPhone. The pricing is excessive but I'd rather pay for something I'm happy with. I'm also a big fan of the x200/210/220 Thinkpads as well and with ram and an SSD they fly.
     
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    As somebody who used to do component board level repairs on consumer, business OEM windows laptops and Apple equipment from Macbooks to the old Cinema Displays where feasible, I disagree and it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. Macbooks fail just as much as the next HP or Dell, repairs and replacement parts are much cheaper, easier to source due to a wider availability with any typical Windows branded OEM laptop. Good luck trying to do the same with a MBP that has a sensing circuit problem or a power supply issue to the LCD panel, especially when almost everything is integrated onto the multi-layer black PCB. At the end of the day, the silicon in your MB is made in the same TSMC foundries in Taiwan as the next HP Elitebook or Dell Inspiron.

    What Apple products do have an advantage over your normal windows OEM laptops or products is brand name/brand loyalty, Mac OS X optimization is greater than of Micro$haft Windows and resale value, looks/aesthetics is subjective so that is there for consideration as well.

    If you think the quality of there products is better than an equally priced high-end enterprise Dell or HP laptop, think again.
     
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