Discussion in 'Intel x86 CPUs and chipsets' started by vlinx, Dec 12, 2020.
Got to be kidding me. Z590 doesn't add Gen4 PCIE? Meaning only the CPU's PCIE lanes will have Gen4?
Will do, already ran enough bench on current setup for comparison.
But I don't think 10900K's gonna be any faster on Z590, so I'll probably just hold on to Z590 til I get new cpu.
You right, 20 Gen4 lanes from the CPU, 16 for GPU, 4 for m.2. with some exceptions and mix around of the 20 lanes total (eg running the GPU at x8 and having more m.2).
Z590 lanes are all Gen3 but is better than AMD's B550 everyone loves to recommend.
*Edit* my wording is shit. Z590 more lanes than B550 and Z590 has more bandwidth available for everything going through chipset.
Except Z590 competes with X570 not B550..
When you compare X570 with Z590 they have on paper at least the same bandwidth.
But X570 boards require 50% more power(compared to Z590) and also need chipset cooling fan.
Crazy how chipsets are now segmented by feature.
Wonder if we'll ever go back to the future with socketed chipsets?
Even more crazy, slot/socket VRMs, Mini-pcie + headers sound cards, or even more funky some kind of PC/104 style stackable backplate cards. The possibilities are endless. One upside to this would be that if your mosfets carked it, or you really needed a faster chipset, you could just drop a new one in.
Yeah, I wouldn't bring power consumption into the argument here.. Both need a CPU to function and once you add that.. Well enjoy the egg on face eh..
Yep.. X570 is ~12 months older and can do gen4 to nvme drives and cards. Really comes down to the end user requirements.
You right, and when you ask or talk about building, 99.9% of the time the recommendation is just get a B550 or even B450 because you don't "need" x570.
What annoyed me was the pcie gen2 on other AM4 chipsets, apparently everyone was fine with that. (I think it was x470, b450, x370, b350 etc, all gen2.)
Yeah, and people generally also recommend b550 due to being cheap but great value and stability still.
X570 is the superior AMD option and the z590 competitor.
MSI Z490 Unify - gg mobo with strong VRM for 10th or 11th on sale for only $300 on used section.
Other Asus board for preorder at PCCG at the moment. (ETA 26/02)
Strix Z590-A, Strix Z590-E, Strix Z590-F and the TUF Gaming Plus.
Can't see anything else available at PCCG, PLE, MWAVE or Scorp.
They don't require a chipset fan. My X570 Xtreme was, and my Dark Hero is passively cooled.
The chipset fan seems more like overdesign, since even the one on mine is rarely on.
If you are looking for a new mid-range Z590 motherboard, MSI Z590 Gaming Carbon(or Gaming Force) looks gg imo..
Probably ~$500 for Z590 Gaming Carbon & ~$450 for Z590 Gaming Force, they've got:
- strong 16 Phase VRM with large heatsinks
- 6 layer PCB with thickened copper
- 3x Shield Frozr for M.2 SSDs
- dual 8pin CPU power connectors
- 2.5G Lan n Lightning USB 20G
- postcode LED for oc & support upto 5333 memory oc.
- n they have a switch on the mobo to turn off RGB
Two boards are identical but Gaming Carbon's got Intel WiFi 6E and carbon fiber r̶o̶o̶f̶ ̶&̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶d̶i̶f̶f̶u̶s̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶h̶a̶n̶d̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ i/o shield cover and chipset cover.
@ ~6:00 they are 75amp.. not 90amp.
Techbuy any good boss?
I did see they had boards listed, all order in but I have never heard of them before. Their FAQ mentioned western union so I just thought nah m8.
PBTech also had/has boards listed in stock/order in but they aren't technically Australia based are they? Assumed potential warranty annoyance.
Newegg has boards too but same thing warranty wise.
No clue, never bought anything off em b4.. but looks like they are in Sydney so they probably get all the parts from Ingram n Synnex.
techbuy. one of the first online shops i bought from. circa 2003.
No probs with techbuy. I've bought a little bit from them over the years. Not a great website but service fine.
The only time I ever used a fan regarding the motherboard was to cool the VRM's, the chipset was never the issue.
You definitely don't need any fan for Z590 VRMs cos they already have way overkill heatsinks(at least on mid-high end models)
But I think some high-end Z590 mobos also got VRM fan inside the i/o shield. (e.g. Godlike, Ace, Master, etc)
New Intel 11900K packaging?