iPhone 8/8+/X

Discussion in 'Apple iOS (OS & Devices)' started by MR CHILLED, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    The hype is huge. My Facebook feed is already packed with people announcing they're tossing their iPhone 7's the day they can get their hands on an X.

    I know it sounds like lunacy to regularly sensible people, but Apple are banking on high-earning, instant gratification "must have" types to fund their success. And if the last 10 years are anything to go by, that market is only getting better for profitability.

    I'm seeing businesses that baulk at the idea of spending that much on a computer, but will pounce on the latest iPhone purely as a status symbol. The psychology of it is quite amazing.

    [edit] Parody news already covering exactly this:
    http://www.betootaadvocate.com/huma...-says-millennial-just-preordered-1829-iphone/

    So real, it hurts.
     
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  2. Laser Eyes

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    It's not really easy to avoid. If the police arrest you they can use force to take your photograph. They could easily hold your head in front of the phone if you refused to cooperate.

    Regarding Australia, this is news to me. AFAIK the police can not force you to unlock your phone in any state. Would you mind referring me to the law you mention.
     
  3. DarkYendor

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    But what "financial information" are you worried about them stealing? All my financial apps require authentication a second time to open the app, and then a seperate second-factor auth (PIN specific to that app) to transfer money. Stealing money from my phone is orders of magnitude harder than just stealing my wallet.

    Easier than pinching a wallet and taking the credit cards? Even if they do get access to a card through Apple pay, it's protected by your credit card company.
     
  4. DarkYendor

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    But if you look away from the phone and that stops it from unlocking, then they can't exactly drag your eyeballs to face a certain way. It's probably safer than a fingerprint.

    Police can (and have) get a court order or search warrant that includes your PIN/passwords, and then charge you with contempt of court for not handing over those passwords. But states are now passing legislation so they don't even need the court order:

    SA: http://www.zdnet.com/article/south-...ting-laws-to-force-passwords-out-of-suspects/

    QLD: http://www.mackenziemitchellsolicit...the-queensland-police-require-you-to-give-up/
     
  5. elvis

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    This isn't an either/or argument. Paypass Credit Card security is shitty (non-existent, in fact). That doesn't mean phones should be too.

    Having a couple of friends who are detectives in the Queensland police force who specialise in credit card theft, phone theft, and similar things, they've said the issue is not that your money is protected "eventually". The issue is that you are a target for the device in your pocket, even if it's only valuable for an hour or so after they steal it. These things are used to buy sub-$100 items quickly, until they fail, and are then discarded. To the sorts of people who consider theft a viable choice, that's free money.

    Once stolen, that phone represents an opportunity to use or sell quickly. Sure, you're protected financially after a certain amount of time. But that didn't stop the theft occurring, and the inconvenience to you (best case, worst case is it might have been taken forcibly, or through violence).

    And again, none of that is a valid counter-argument to the fact that biometric security presents issues not present in other methods. Again, not an "either/or" argument. FaceID is convenient, no doubt. But again the concern is that it gives a false sense of security to people who rely on it. (And again, yes, better than nothing. But still not satisfactory, and still a challenge to get lazy/ignorant people to care and learn why that's so).
     
  6. leck

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    I'm assuming these come with the wireless headphones too? That probably hasn't helped the pricing too much.

    After more of a look the 8 looks like a solid upgrade for me pending info about battery life. The x looks great but i don't really need it so might wait until that works it's tech into future models.

    All in all a decent release, nothing mindblowing but improvements in all areas.
     
  7. ChinoPD

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    The GF and I have the first 5.5in screen 6 Plus when it first came out, I really miss the 4SE, the size shape and it's toughness. We skipped every release post 6 Plus thinking we would get the new one this year. Looks like we'll be fcuking that idea off, LOL :lol:
     
  8. connico

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    I'm not understanding what you're saying?

    If someone steals my phone, they either need my long arse password or either of my thumbs to unlock my phone?

    Now threatened with violence ill give them my long arse password and access to my pin etc to get into my online accounts and stuff.... but lets just say it was a snatch / grab...

    I cannot see how they can get into my phone with out either the password or pin. Pulling my finger print from the phone might work, but the fuckers have already smeared their grubby fingers all over my screen...

    But lets just say they get into my phone, how are they going to get into other aspects of my life where two factor authentication rules.

    Now I understand your issues with Bio-metrics and there are ways to circumvent bio-metrics but it takes time, effort and tools to do this. Those with this kind of sophistication would be more focused on doing other more profitable things like mass scamming people out of money quickly and effectively...

    You and I both know that security is a means to deter by making things difficult for would be crooks, not making it impossible.... Sure stealing phone can be sold for pennies immediately. Stealing a wallet is much more effective if petty crime was you thing...
     
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  9. Sphinx2000

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    $1800 AUD in Australia for the X!?

    lol... Sorry That's just a rip.
     
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  10. elvis

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    With FaceID, arguably easier to have the phone "see" your face without your knowledge/consent.

    I could go into more hypothetical/unrealistic cases of what happens if you're knocked out. But I'm going purely from the point of view of simple theft here.

    Correct. And again, this is why FaceID bothers me. Easy enough to flash the phone at someones face (they might not even notice - say in a busy public area). Password - good. Fingerprint, not great, but still OK. FaceID, problematic.

    The "stealing a wallet" argument works for now, and will for a while. Within the slightly more tech savvy / affluent members of my friendship circles, many are ditching the wallet all together. Their phones hold all their cards and payment info, and for casual things like a trip to the grocery store or pub, they don't need to bring it any more.

    These sorts of folk are only 5% of the community by my guestimate, but the number appears to be growing.

    Either way, it doesn't mitigate the issues with FaceID away. I personally will avoid it.
     
  11. Alfonzo

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    Not from what I read. You get the standard cabled headphones with lightning plug.
     
  12. wolfie81

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    Correct. 1800 and they still want you to buy a wireless dock and earphones on top ;)

    Oh... throw in a case for your 2000+ grand investment

    Apple loves your wallet.
     
  13. leck

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    Well that's a bit of a turnoff honestly.. I suppose you can at least charge it while you have headphones plugged in now :rolleyes:
     
  14. DarkYendor

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    So the only form of payment you're happy with is chip + pin? You go down that road if you must, but if the CC company is taking on the risk then I'm happy to have the convenience.

    How will they use it quickly? Apple pay requires you to authenticate it immediately before using it (< 10 seconds), simply having an unlocked phone doesn't help them. That makes it an order of magnitude more secure than paypass, which makes you less of a target than anyone with a credit card.

    Also, you say I'll get the money back "eventually". My Sister had her wallet stolen from her car a few weeks ago, and the CCs were locked and she was called within half an hour, and all the money was refunded by the following morning.

    I think you're overestimating the average criminal. They steal because it's easier than working, and they've already spent their centrelink for the fortnight on piss and durries. The amount of effort, planning and risk a criminal would need to put in to steal a phone and bypass biometric security for the payoff of a few packs of smokes isn't there.
     
  15. thecondor

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    Haha only after you shell out another few hundred bucks for the wireless pad to charge it. hahahah.
     
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    It actually is a joke. What I find even funnier is at the start of the presentation they harped on about 'changing the world' to better humanity.......... the rich humanity ;)
     
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    The funniest part was watching the guy with the emojis. Imagine what he was thinking...."thank fuck I get paid millions a year to do this shit". lol
     
  18. DarkYendor

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    It does seem that if they're going to charge you $1500-$2000 for a phone, they could at least include the charger that they claim is one of the reasons to buy it.

    I don't really care about the headphones - wireless ones are always too heavy, they'll fall out for running. And if I'm at work/home, I'd rather use my good over-ear headphones (with noise cancelling) than little earbuds.

    EDIT: If the wireless charger worked with the first-gen Apple Watch, I'd consider buying it. But if it's only for the brand new watch, then forget about it.
     
  19. elvis

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    Standard marketing stuff there, and the audience lap it up.

    You have no idea how many people thought it was life changing to be able to check in to their flights with their iWatch, oblivious to how many Chinese sweatshop workers committed suicide due to the depressive state of their lives pumping out these cheap devices for cents-per-hour that some far away white man was selling at 6000% profit. Ironic how many of those same folk post to social media all of the social causes they follow/like/share as modern day clicktivists.

    And those same folk will think it a point of pride when Apple hits the trillion dollar stock market valuation, oblivious to how ludicrous the whole circus is.

    That's twice now where I've objectively criticised a certain technology, and you've inferred that it means I'll only interact with one other particular technology. This is called a "false dichotomy".
     
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  20. Hater

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    It's QI compatible, you don't need to buy the Apple charger to use it.

    Only the Watch 3 has the QI coils in it, otherwise you would have been able to charge your Watch 1 with any old QI charger currently.
     

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