Is 5G even possible in Australia?

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  1. blondie_hunter

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    I've seen a lot of articles online indicating that we might have 5G all across the country in 2020, but isn't 5G a techology invented and owned by Huawei?

    And with the banns and fause accusations western countries, including Australia, put on Huawei , would huawei still share their tech with the west?

    Seriously I don't think any countries can build 5G without Huawei, that was why they have ganged up on Huawei in the first place, because they couldn't compete with them.
     
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    Huawei commercialised one implementation of a 5G network; they are most certainly not the sole supplier of the technology. they're possibly one of the cheapest, and the Chinese government backdoors are free.
     
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    Chinese/NSA/GCHQ whatever, we'll never not be spied on by these voyeuristic twats either way.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    At this point, any one of these five can spy on you, and share it with the other four. And you can't do shit about it.

    Dutton and Trump love to scaremonger about China, while breaking every personal freedom of the citizens they supposedly represent in the exact same breath.

    The figures we already know are astounding:
    https://theconversation.com/think-y...national-security-agencies-think-again-121253

    300,000+ access requests to metadata in 2015. And that was before Dutton's mandatory backdoors. One can only assume those requests go up year on year.

    Imagine what we don't know.

    So 5G has backdoors? Great. What tech doesn't any more? Fuck yeah technology solving people problems.
     
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  7. flu!d

    flu!d KDE Neon 5.16

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    When our Government mandates back doors in encryption, you can bet we're not much better than China. Another modern concept I find concerning is the ever increasing number of surveillance cameras on our roads, it seems that every intersection has to have a surveillance camera these days and no one knows just what they're recording.
     
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  8. caspian

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    I draw a fairly significant distinction between lawful authorised surveillance for security reasons, and breaches of critical national infrastructure cyber security by a foreign actor.
     
  9. JSmithDTV

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    There is no evidence of this... stop scaremongering.


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  10. flain

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    No, they didn't invent it, they are just the cheapest implementation of it. In a time where cost is everything they are the easiest path to implementing 5G on a large scale in the shortest amount of time. Wont happen with huawei in any country a part of the five eyes though (which includes Australia). That hasn't stopped telstra from having lots of 5G deployed already though https://www.telstra.com.au/5g (using a different vendor - Ericsson).
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    As do I. But I question why there were 300,000 requests for metadata alone in 2015. Take a look at the linked article, and the numbers within. The groups that apparently want all this back door access (AFP, Home Affairs, et al) weren't the biggest users of these tools. It's clear that the "limited, warranted" access promised by Dutton is anything but.

    644 requests for reasons labelled "Miscellaneous". No, sorry, not good enough.

    And particularly around the "foreign actor" comment, when 5 Eyes ensures Australia and four other nations can share data as they please, and the public doesn't find out either ever if it's marked as classified, or in 5-10 years under various FOI acts around the place.

    Australians spying on Australians for "legitimate" reasons is the "least worst" scenario, and one I can deal with in limited context. But even with non-Chinese equipment, we are well beyond that point, and the abuse of these surveillance tools is rife.
     
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  12. Doc-of-FC

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    There's no evidence that you're actually JSmith.
     
  13. BAK

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    Did you not see the signature at the bottom of the post that incontrovertibly proves he is JSmith?
     
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    So how long did you have to think to come up with that one? I'll have to remember that as an all time best comeback... :rolleyes:


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  15. Doc-of-FC

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    you clearly overlooked caspian's subtle sarcasm, it's ok, you're new here.
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  16. JSmithDTV

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    No I just tend to ignore his attempts at sarcasm as usually it is a directed comment veiled in attempted sarcasm...

    Lol, please... you know nothing. :lol:

    The fear around Huawei and 5G is simply that, fear... but not based on anything solid.


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  17. BAK

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    Excuse me, his name says Doc-of-FC and not Jon-Snow.

    Also:
    I'd say it's based around various intelligence services mandating that Huawei not be used in critical infrastructure. Is that not solid enough for you?
     
  18. Doc-of-FC

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    Sounds like previous trauma, is that you Mitch?
     
  19. BAK

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    If it was Mitch, wouldn't he have said "I know nothing"?
     
  20. JSmithDTV

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    Nope... I think that is complete rubbish and based in xenophobia.

    I agree with Paul Keating;

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05...en-disagrees-with-paul-keating-china/11082144

    ... and Prof Williams;

    Among others;


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