Is this the end of Firewire?

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  1. foxmulder881

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    I just read a good article on news.com.au which I thought might generate some interesting discussion and opinions...

    Read here...
    http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,21991139-39525,00.html

    or below...
     
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    it mentions that its used by film makers and what not.
    That will most likely keep it alive. Hell I love firewire, i use it when i can, which is not often, and my mac has a port, i've also got a PCI card in my old PC box.

    whats with the gps shit, can't you cut that out?
     
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    Sorry, that was my fault.
    Has been cut.

    I bought a firewire card for my PC a couple of years ago. I think I used it once and never touched it again.

    I have since taken it out and it now sits in my draw next to my desk.
     
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    its a shame isn't it? i mean, it's a really good technology, but its just unsupported....
     
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    It was alright technology. Although I dunno about superior technology.

    I guess there's just not enough room for USB and Firewire in the harsh world of Geekdom(r).
     
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    As a general rule, I have had alot better reliability from Firewire than from USB.

    In particular, Firewire is better at articulating the 5v over the bus to external laptop drives. There is a reason that alot of USB drive enclosures come with a USB cable and external power plug or ps2 adaptor, alot of these cases fail to spin the drive due to insufficient voltage.

    I've only had this problem once with a Firewire laptop drive enclosure, and the drive itself was dead :-D

    Certainly for Mac, Firewire is far superior Target disk mode it awsome.. For PC its pretty bloody good too, the ability to use it as a network connection is built into the OS and works nicley in my experience, I know there are some products that do this with USB but they were clunky as shit when I used them and required extra software.

    It would be a pity to see this disappear.
     
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    I thought Win XP was the only OS that supported Firefire networking?
    And it was dropped in Vista because of lack of interest?

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    for me firewire is much better for getting movies onto my pc rather than usb.
     
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    Why do you say that? Interested. ;)
     
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    firewire provides a higher constant speed, more if you use rev2 at 800mb/s
    USB2 has a fluctuating slower speed which can cause some distortion or those box artifacts you might get with bad tv reception.

    So a firewire card for $20 will give me a guaranteed smoother job. Plus it's easier for Premier to recognize firewire rather than cycle through the 6 or so usb slots.
     
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    apple killed it by charging for the ports.
     
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    I liked using Firewire more than USB for my old 3G iPod for sure.
    Imagine my disappointment when the first time I connected my 5G iPod to my PC, the iPod screen pops up with "Firewire not supported please use USB".
     
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    Yep that was one very good reason why nobody bothered with it much and went USB. Among other reasons for its lacklustre appeal was the fact that Microsoft was one of the highest profile supporters of USB, probably just to piss Apple off.
     
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    I can't correct you it, I have NFI if Vista supports it but XP does and for the most part, people who depend on thier OS for work use XP.

    Shame to hear it was dropped for Vista, its been a very useful tool during my time supporting XP.
     
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    That's exactly what happened. If Apple was smart they wouldn't have charged a licensing fee.

    The simple fact is they got out manoeuvred by the USB group and never gained the momentum that USB gained.
     
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    Well to tell you the truth, you're the first person I've ever met that I know uses Firewire networking.
    I'm sure there are many others out there, but obviously not enough to keep the technology alive and kicking.
     
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    I remember reading an article on this a few years ago when fire wire was emerging, it stated in that article that fire wire would never be as popular as usb because of the licensing fees from apple even though at the time i think we where still dealing with usb 1 and fire wire left it for dead, How right they where!

    anyways if apple get 25c for every firewire port and 1/10 computers in the world have a firewire port apple would have made themselves a considerable amount of $$


    I seriously doubt that, why would they take something so useful Out of the OS without it being severely dated?


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    Anyone that does serious DV work uses firewire, - and i think thats the field Carrots is in.
     
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    Firewire networking is/was just one of the many ways of transferring data from one host to another. Useful when for one reason or another you can't use any other option like network, USB or anything else. Its a pity they might be taking this from our arsenal.

    Fester, you know I'm a man-whore with a powerful mangina, I know nothing about computers :-D
     

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