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REVIEW ITX gaming PC - Techfast

Discussion in 'Portable & Small Form Factor' started by Kelvin, Aug 25, 2023.

  1. Kelvin

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    (1) ITX Gaming PC: Ryzen 5 5500, RTX 3060 (8GB), B450, 16GB RAM, 500GB NVMe SSD: $688 + Postage @ TechFast - OzBargain

    Saw this on Ozbargain a week ago...
    Did the sums... put in an order straight away... (with the B550 upgrade and the 5600 cpu upgrade) and watched it go out of stock .. in about 48 hours..

    Forgot all about it...
    and it arrived today...!!!

    For those who don't know about techfast... they are an online eretailer, who seem to make offering of complete gaming systems, at every low margins, often, cheaper than what you can buy the parts and assemble the machine yourself.. often..

    I think they were around.. for a number of years..
    I bought.. a few videocards off them, during the COVID / GPU madness times.. but never a whole machine..
    Reviews of their products.. are mixed... sometimes there can be a long lead time, from payment to shipping..

    They pretty much throw together the cheapest parts, they can get their hands on... then offer upgrades which are usually poorly priced, in order to make them more usuable.
    I presume most of their money is made on the upgrades..
    eg their 16gb to 32gb upgrade is $109..
    500gb to 1tb ssd upgrade is $99
    see their other itx system
    AMD Ryzen 5 5700X | RTX 4070 12GB Gaming PC - August (techfast.com.au)

    Luckily the B450 to B550 upgrade was only $49 and the
    Ryzen 5500 to 5600 upgrade was only $55 ...

    For $813.95 delivered.. I Got

    AMD Ryzen 5600 - with deshrounded cooler - looks like AMD stock with an allied sticker
    2x8gb of 3200 Kingston Fury ram KF-432c688AK2/16
    1xADATA Legend 710 512gb M2 pceixpress 3.0 SSD
    Biostar B550t--silver - no wifi.
    Gainward 3060 itx 8gb videocard
    LeaperI-ITX case
    generic 400watt Flex? powersupply
    PCI-express 3.0 riser cable..
    A bunch of manuals, screws and the wifi bracket from the motherboard.
    Mint linux was on the OS installed..

    The BAD
    Instructions on how to download and install windows 11, from Mint Linux.. doesn't work..
    I pretty ended up doing it myself from a USB stick.
    Some cable management was needed.
    The videocard, wasn't quite alignment properly..
    The riser doesn't line up properly with the screws.
    The io-shield doesn't lock properly in place..
    The power supply is pretty noisey as expected for a 40mm fan.
    The CPUfan is jammed right up against the side, panel, which is noisey in itself.
    Latest bios is AGESA 1.2.07 only.. from May 2022.


    The GOOD
    The case is seriously nice... ?I thinks its aluminium, anodised.
    I managed to add a m2-wifi card... intel ax210 wifie 6e.. working fine... needed to remove the motherboard to install it, and borrowed some external antennas..
    Super small case... 6.5L...
    Excellent value compared to the parts costs..

    AMD Ryzen 5600 - with deshrounded cooler - -$200
    2x8gb of 3200 Kingston Fury ram KF-432c688AK2/16 - $50
    1xADATA Legend 710 512gb M2 pceixpress 3.0 SSD - $40
    Biostar B550t--silver - no wifi. - maybe $150
    Gainward 3060 itx 8gb videocard - $350 for the cheapest 8gb 3060
    total $790 excluding the LeaperI-ITX case / generic 400watt Flex? powersupply / PCI-express 3.0 riser cable..

    The case is nice.. I would easily pay $150-200+ for it and the powersupply.. or even more.. if only the Powersupply was quieter..

    Upgrades done so far.
    - Added Intel Ax210 wifi
    - switched M2 SSD for 1tb Silicon Power TLC drive P34A80 - happened to have one lying arround.
    -2xSilverstone slim 90mm fans at the top.. perfectly fits!!!

    Planned
    - Basic cable management.
    - switch the 3060 8g for 3060ti 8gb
    - upgrade to a Pci-express 4.0 cable.
    - switch the stock cooler, for a more efficient quieter unit
    - Switch poweruspply, or considered modding the powersupply for a quiter fan.
    - Upgrading the CPU to a 5700x..

    Seriously...
    = if this machine comes back in stock.. its an excellent buy for those wanting a small ITX machine.. with the caveats listed above..

    I am impressed that an retailer, can shipped a mini-ITX machine, at that price, which is pretty much functional..

    Its probably not for the MUM and DAD, but for those, with some computer hardware experience. it can form the basis of a pretty seocndary ITX system..

    Yes it gets a bit warm, and noisey.. I have limited the power use to 45W from 65W and enabled a CPU voltage offset of -0.1.

    Seems to runs 3dmark nicely..


    Pictures for size comparison.. (Inwin Chopin, Nuc Ghost Canyon, Techfast Leaper ITX, NZXT H1 V2)
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  2. Lem0n

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    Thanks for taking the time to write up a review, saw this computer on OzBargain too.

    Couple of questions:
    • Some commenters were mentioning that the B550 motherboard upgrade doesn't guarantee PCI-E Gen 4, do you know if your Biostar does?
    • The space at the top looks under-utilised, is the blue bracket meant to mount fans? Is 2x90mm the max or do you think 2x120mm will fit?
    • Biggest downside is the PSU form factor, I don't think you can install normal ATX PSU really limiting your upgrade options. Do you think a SFX PSU would fit?
    • Approximate clearance for CPU heatsink?
    • Any chance for some idle and load temperatures of the CPU and GPU?
    Regardless of the above, it does seem like a great value PC if you don't plan for any upgrades and use it as it comes. Hope you continue to get many hours of enjoyment from it.
     
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    During the 3dmark 20 loop stress test.

    GPU temps reached 71 degress and CPU temps reaches 71 degrees.

    90/92mm fans only.. No chance a 120 will fit.. a pair of slim 90mm are a fit / squeeze into the space.
    Took the pictures, before I found some spares fans..
    No chance of an SFX power supply in there...
    The CPU fan clearance is exactly the amd stock cooler minus the shroud.
    To get the sides on and off, you literally have to push HSF down onto the motherboard..
    and the sides scrape the CPUHSF as you slide them on and off..

    Pretty sure its PC-express 4.0.. but the riser is 3.0.. so the machine is set to 3.0
    the option is available in bios.
     
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    The more, I play, with this case, the more impressed I am with it and the build quality...
    some sleuths from ozbargain deduce its from here..

    Custom Desk Aluminum Atx Computer Case Htpc Matx Industrial Micro Pc Tower Cases - Buy Atx Computer Cas,Htpc Matx Case,Pc Tower Cases Product on Alibaba.com

    or

    Customized Metal Small Atx Itx Server Computer Cases Sever Gamer Pc Case - Buy Gamer Pc Case,Itx Pc Case,Atx Server Computers Chassis Product on Alibaba.com

    Looking through the cases.. it seemes familiar...
    I think.. its is some sort of smaller vertical variant / or rip off of the Loque Ghost S1, or maybe a failed prototype..

    LOUQE

    There are some very minor issues.. - suggesting perhaps its was not quite 100% for retail.. ie. io shield. not fitting well.. but the finish and machining is the best out of all my itx cases.. It has a magnetic top... missing the little material tab to pull the top off, but the slit for the tab is there!!!
     
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    Thanks for the review; I was extremely close to picking one up but wasn't able to get the shipping quote working from the cart.

    PS vacuum along your skirting man :lol:
     
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    Whats a vacuum..?

     
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    A few final pictures post cable management and installation of the slimine 90mm silverstone fans..

    Lots and lots of reductant cables. (sata and molex).
    and a massively long 24 pin power cable and 8 pin power aux cable..

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    some of the specs form the alibaba sites,
    suggests CPUHSF up to 51mm -... interesting the inwin chopin has the same 51mm HSF height restriction.. This case is definitley a tigher fit than the chopin.
    videocard up to 192mm in length..
     
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    Hmmm.. I still don't know how Techfast can make money on this machine..

    AMD Ryzen 5600 - with deshrounded cooler - -$180
    2x8gb of 3200 Kingston Fury ram KF-432c688AK2/16 - $40
    1xADATA Legend 710 512gb M2 pceixpress 3.0 SSD - $30
    Biostar B550t--silver - no wifi. - maybe $150
    Gainward 3060 itx 8gb videocard - $320
    total - $720
    easily $75 for the case and riser ($50 usd) and at least another $40 for the powersupply
    = $835 + postage (Austpost $21.95)...
    There's easily 30 minutes to 1 hour worth of labour building the machine, deshrouding the cooler, installing mini linux and packing up the machine..
     
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    Economies of scale I think. When their buying qty is 100+, the prices come down.
     
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    thanks for the review - i half considered buying it, extract the parts for my own built. bonus hearing that the case is of decent quality too.
     
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    what time spy score did you get?
     
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    Graphics 7078, CPU 7804
     
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    That ain't too bad for $700
     
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    Was $813.95 + $50 for the wifi card and additional fans

     
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    I saw a build in one of these little cases at the Allied PC booth at PAX last year, and thought it looked quite impressive. Just a shame its an 8gb 3060! (but to be honest, for the price it's not a valid complaint).
     
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    Hmmm. new bios is out AGESA 1.2.0.B. so we are still getting support..

    After updating... I had huge inssues.. unable to boot back into windows.. and started mucking around with the settings..
    After reinstalling windows 10 pro twice..
    figured out the motherboard had defaulted back to PCI-express 4.0... with the PCI-express 3.0 riser cable.. I was getting no display with the windows drivers installed.

    once I switched forced it back to PCI-express 3.0.. everything, was back to normal..
    thats 3 hours of my life.. I'm not getting back...
     
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    Thanks for posting it though - hopefully other people find it if they have the same issue! Rather than watching a 10 minute youtube video or scrolling through a discord or a facebook wall!

    Forums FTW...
     
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    Kelvin surprised you didnt update this thread with this deal! https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/834923

    tempted to pick one up based on all the helpful info in here, not sure what id do with it, probably find a shorty RTX 4060 to shove into it...
     
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    My posts are in that thread as well..

    Was thinking about posting here..
    In the end.. the weekend.. was way too busy...

    By the time, I receive the machine and work out the exact details and specs of what we ge.t. the deal will be long over..!!

    I have already ordered two... just to harvest the cases...


    The 5700X3d built with the 4070ti super is pretty good value as well

    Ryzen 7 5700X3D | RTX 4070 Ti Super Gaming PC(techfast.com.au): $1888 after 5700X3D-4070TIS-MAR

    Ryzen 7 5700X3D processor - $387 currently - $349 metrocom is out of stock)
    RTX 4070 Ti Super graphics (PNY in use in March) - cheapest $1299, previouslly $1199 (out of stock)

    thats $1686 for just those two components currently.

    the extra $202 plus delivery $54.95 ($256.95.. nets you… the rest…)

    if paying full retail…

    120mm Air Cooler (DeepCool AG400/AG500 in use in March) - $29
    Gigabyte Aorus B550 AX ATX motherboard - $249 -
    16GB 3200MHz DDR5 RAM (D35G RGB in use) - $66
    1TB Gen4 NVMe m.2 SSD (ADATA Legend 800) - $109
    750W 80+ Gold PSU (XPG and FSP in use in March) ??$100
    MSI MAG Forge 320R Airflow case $101

     
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    Great thread, thanks for sharing your fantastic work on this project Kelvin. From your photos I also think the case looks great. This weekend I bought the $399 unit as on sanjay's link above: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/834923

    I also did a little research relating to the case, and in addition to the Alibaba links in this thread I found these interesting:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/t8fk7n/rebuild_in_feiyoupu_t80_my_new_favorite_case

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004868692459.html

    And on YouTube, not in English however more good visuals of what looks to be a similar type of case:



    I am very much looking forward to receiving the PC I've ordered.
     
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