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  1. bart5986

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    https://www.japanspecialist.co.uk/travel-tips/luggage/
    That is in each Green Car the last row does have a gap for the Full Size suitcases at times people put them in front of them and or in the aisle (but they have to get moved when the trolley ladies come).
     
  3. bart5986

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    Yeah I saw the photos.

    The thing is it seems risky, if the space is already taken you either can't take the train or you have to pay for your luggage to be shipped.

    I'd rather be confident about having space.
     
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    Never encountered an instance where it was really that busy in a reserved car (I guess if you really did travel during obon or GW then it could be), most times there will be a way to accommodate reasonable luggage - even if this means standing with it and waiting for an opening. There's really little risk of not being able to be on board a train because there's no luggage space on reserved seating services.

    IME there's benefits to travelling lighter if your trip is based around hops anyway. You're pretty unlikely to find vacant large bag lockers at stations for example, so you'll find yourself forced to drag the bag with you or do a hotel drop first.
     
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    How many Shinkansen trips are you planning with full luggage Bart?

    On our last trip we transferred / posted out large cases to the hotel and traveled with cabin sized luggage on the train. Previously (without kids) we took the large suitcases on a reserved non-green Shinkansen carriage without any hassle, however the local train transfers and navigating the stations between hotels and the airport were a major pain.

    Personally I'd stick with a normal Shinkansen carriage with reserved seating and use the money saved from the Green cabin upgrade to mail the large luggage items around.
     
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    Never had this problem in a Green Car, I just used the spot behind the seats at the either end of the carriage. The Green Cars were never full, so there was always somewhere you could put your bag within eyeshot if it wasn't on the rack above or behind the end row. The other thing is, no one in Japan would even think of taking someone else's bag from a train. Station lockers were a bit hit and miss, you could generally find one in the big stations but getting the large ones was sometimes a challenge. The freight company that has the big cat carrying the small cat logo is everywhere, extremely efficient and apparently very cheap, but I never had the need to use them. I did see their logos in even the smallest villages, so they have a pretty solid network if shipping is your thing.
     
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    In some cases a trip that's within the day on the Shinkansen is the day after for the luggage (there are certain locations that are more than overnight but not many). So for example if you do a delivery from Tokyo to Osaka, you'll be one day out without luggage if it's picked up the day you leave. Luggage delivery will be a juggle in the case that you're hopping and only staying one night in locations, as you don't have the luxury then to submit the luggage in advance.

    It comes down to planning what's suitable for the style of trip you're trying to do.
     
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    I think we will get the Green pass so thanks for all the advice guys, we will be doing quite a lot of train travel and it looks like virtually every leg will have the Green cars so it should pay off.

    We'll have one large suitcase but I think it will only be an issue on one part of the journey. Japan Guide has Takayama as a side trip from Tokyo to Kyoto, we'll be coming the other way but it seems like a lot of travel (~8hrs all up) to spend just a few hours there so I'm thinking we might return to Nagoya and overnight there before continuing on to Tokyo the next morning. I'm guessing we might be able to have our large suitcase delivered from Nagoya station to our hotel while we continue to Takayama? It sounds like finding a large locker might be hit or miss at Nagoya, let alone Takayama which I'm assuming will be a small station.
     
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    3-5 cities in Japan most likely. I'll be going for three weeks.

    I was thinking about posting luggage, I guess I need to figure out which one is more suitable.

    Each city will have accommodation so we can drop the luggage there. I guess another factor is getting it from the train to the hotel.

    Some googling shows its around $32 for each transfer.

    This is a really good point. I'm going for three weeks in total so it won't be that much jumping around but even one day without luggage could be frustrating although perhaps manageable if carry on bags are repacked each time with whats needed for the next day.


    There will be four of us travelling together so we'll need space for four large bags which does seem possible in the green cars, however now I'm curious how we would get to the hotel.

    I would imagine a regular sized taxi would not fit the bags and the regular trains to get around a city are probably way too crowded?
     
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    Although I don't know if the Takayama side trip makes sense (do you have the suggested itinerary link?), If I were to travel from Kyoto to Takayama then onto Tokyo, I wouldn't go via Nagoya (especially if you already did Nagoya as an earlier part of the itenary) but head all the way up to the Hokuriku Shinkansen line and stay somewhere there, and take the Hokuriku Shinkansen back down to Tokyo (particularly in this case where you have the JR Pass, there's no cost penalty).

    This would be one of those cases where directly sending the luggage from Kyoto to Tokyo might make sense.
     
  11. Sarsippius

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    This is the Japan Guide itinerary, what we're doing is ending up quite different but I used it to start off with to get ideas. I like the idea of seeing the Takayama old town to see that historic side of Japan but might end up scrapping the idea.
    https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2400_tokyo_12.html

    We are squeezing in a lot so might have to scale it back and miss Takayama

    Day 1: Arrive in Tokyo early morning, go straight to Osaka and stay with friends
    Day 2: Osaka to Fukuoka staying with friends
    Day 3: Fukuoka
    Day 4: Fukuoka to Miyajima staying the night
    Day 5: Miyajima to Osaka staying with friends again
    Day 6: Himeji day trip (friends driving us)
    Day 7: Nara day trip (friends driving us)
    Day 8: Kyoto
    Day 9: Kyoto
    Day 10: Kyoto to Takayama
    Day 11: Takayama to Tokyo
    Day 12: Nikko day trip
    Day 13: Gala Yuzawa day trip
    Day 14: Tokyo
    Day 15: Fly out mid morning

    The issue is the best way to get to Takayama, Japan Guide treats it like a side trip between Kyoto and Tokyo but that involves 8hrs on the train to spend maybe 3hrs there. Other options are staying overnight and losing time in Tokyo the following day or returning back to Nagoya to overnight cutting back some travel time on that day and leaving a short trip to Tokyo the next morning.

    We're lucky that we have friends we can stay with in Osaka and Fukuoka and that is part of the reason for going as far as Fukuoka. Being able to stay with local Japanese and have them show us around is priceless.
     
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    Have you looked into an overnight Ryokkan stay in Takayama?

    It's a great way to see Takayama at a more relaxed pace - streets, stalls and sake tasting during the day and stay up in the hills over looking the town at night with an open air onsen. You could even throw in a bus trip to Suganuma or Ainokura villages on the way back to Kyoto.
     
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    It's not a bad idea, it's just the travel from Takayama to Tokyo is about 4.5hrs and eats into the two days we have in Tokyo. I might leave the decision for once we're there and have a better feel for things.
     
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    In that case don't try and do all of Japan in one hit, leave some for the next round of cheap flights.

    A week in Tokyo is not enough, let alone two days!
     
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    What's the weather really like in Okinawa in late April? Forecast says 19-24, which seems fine but is it actually that? What about water temp?

    Family holiday with small kid, so hoping we can swim in the ocean (or hotel pool at worst).
     
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    I did this to get a sense of the value of the Japan Rail pass for our trip, we are doing a lot of travel in a short time and will save a lot of money, even with the Green pass.

    A couple notes:
    I didn't split Narita -> Shinagawa (Tokyo) -> Shin-Osaka as this would be booked as one journey which saves a little on the fare and is a more fair comparison in our circumstances.
    The left side is including a trip to Takayama, the right side is if we decide not to go which cuts out a lot of point to point trips for one Osaka/Kyoto to Tokyo leg.

    Anyway I thought this might give people a sense of the value of the JR Pass, even if we were only going so far as Kyoto/Osaka and back with the Yuzawa and Nikko day trips the standard pass would save about $100.

    Rail Pass.JPG
     
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    I am getting similar reporting. The thing you will have to watch with Okinawa is it is in sub-tropic/tropic region and the humidity might be moderate-high. If you are from southern states you might struggle more with that than the daily temp.
     
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