Jumping to Sony

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  1. TheBear21

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    Which answers the question a few posts back...
     
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  2. lonewolf1983

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    If you like the NEX5N then the A6000 is like that but on steroids.
    Doesnt have the cool features of the A7 series but its pretty solid still.
    Kit lens isnt anything flash, better off investing in a cheap fast prime (35mm or 50mm 1.8)
     
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    This many times over when talking about equivalent lenses.

    I own all 3 of these excellent primes.
    Although I am in the process of replacing the 28F2 with the new 24F1.4 GM. The 28F2 has been my default walkabout and night-time prime. The 24GM will replace it.
    For me the only thing the 55F1.8 needs improving is the addition of a Focus Hold button.

    Exactly, the FE85/1.8 is a really good performer and more than holds its own against the far more expensive Batis 85F1.8.
    Plus it has the Focus Hold button which I have programmed for Eye-AF which makes for a fantastic shooting experience on a 3rd gen A7/A9 body.

    Also stick the 85F1.8 on the A6500 (or activate crop mode on your A7 body) and the 1.5 crop almost gets you to that other classic portrait focal length, 135mm.

    Sony have said they have plans to launch/release/announce more than 10 new lenses in the next 12 months and I hope we get some more great lenses like these 3 primes. Probably the most requested is a small and light 35/F1.8.

    After an indifferent start with the FE lens range (of the first 5 released only the 55F1.8 and 1635F4 were really good enough - I still have both), and since overcoming some quality control issues, Sony have - from my perspective - been producing excellent lenses, especially of late.

    Although personally I am not sure what other lenses I 'need'. :tongue:
    Mind you I said that before the 24GM was announced and now the new 24GM will be my second GM, joining the stellar 100400GM (and 1.4x TC). The rest of my lenses are a mix of G series and 'standard' FE lenses.
     
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    ^^^ great post.

    I ordered my 24GM 2 months ago. Still waiting. Sony's distribution is shameful.

    I've been very impressed with almost all of their glass, both mid-range and pro lines. The Zeiss 35 is the only one that hasn't wowed me. It's solid but not impressive. I would LOVE a 35 f/1.8 or f/2.
     
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    Popped into my LCS and had a chat about lens options, and was willing to walk out with an 85 f/1.8. Long story short, Sony lenses are largely unavailable and the 85 f/1.8 (along with the 50mm) is the most popular of them. (the major retail chain my LCS is part of apparently have 1000 of them on back order :O ). It sounds like Sony just does not have the manufacturing capability to keep up with a sudden rise in demand a few months ago.

    This leaves me with none of the Sony lenses I am interested in being available for purchase, so the Sigma 85mm 1.4 Art is the only lens on my list.

    How does this compare to native glass?
     
  6. lonewolf1983

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    the sigma is a fantastic lens optically, its just large and heavy.
    I havent used it personally on the mk3's but expect AF to not be as fast as its non-native and its also a lot more glass.

    Shame about the 85mm, i guess thats my my one sold pretty quick!
    The focus hold button on it is awesome for eye-AF engagement
     
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    After much reading of reviews and sleeping on it, I have decided the size/weight/cost of the Sony 85 f/1.8 lens wins over the Sigma ART. And for some reason it is available online so bit the bullet and bought one.
     
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    Nice one :)

    I'm having similar thoughts about the 35mm and 50mm focal lengths. Pretty happy with the Samyang 35mm f2.8 as a small light walk about, its sharp as and tiny! But think it would be nice to have a 35mm in f1.4 (though it is a duplication I guess). My old Sigma 50mm 1.4 works pretty well adapted, but native with better AF would be nice. The sony 50mm line up is strange. The sony 50mm 1.4 is damn expensive, the Samyang 50mm is cheap but reviews suggest optically its not that great, so then you're left with the Sigma 50mm 1.4 art, which is massive, and the Sony 55mm 1.8.

    Also probably going to grab the sony 24-105mm and 16-35mm f4s when I sell my other Canon and Fuji gear. Adapting the canons really hasn't worked as well as I was hoping, the canon 24-105mm is almost unusable :(

    Will be interesting to see if anything gets announced at CES this year from Sony and the third parties (sigma, tamron and samyang). I wonder if Sigma will do native mounts for their zooms, the Sigma 24-105mm is supposed to be excellent and way cheaper.
     
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    Optically I don't mind the Samyang 50mm f1.4, but it is noisier than I'd like and hunts a bit for something that is meant to be pretty good on a native Sony mount. I have a real soft spot for the Sigma Art 50mm though haha

    Modafroman since you're in Brisbane, you're welcome to try out my MC-11 to see if the 24-105mm might work better on it? :)
     
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    I don't think Sigma will have any native FE glass until at least 2020.

    If you can't swing the Sony 50/1.4, the 55 is easily the next best option. It's a fantastic lens, the 50A is gross on Sony.
     
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    I look forward to hearing your reviews of the new equipment. I have heard it's rediculous
     
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    The reason I went Sony was because I could use my top shelf Canon glass on it and not have to put up with the over-priced Sony lenses that I assumed would be nowhere near as good.

    The Canon 85 f/1.8 is a ripper of a lens and it is interesting to hear the Sony equivalent is better. Twice the price better is yet to be determined, but if it pushes out my 100 f/2.0 as my go-to portrait lens then it would be close.
     
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    I think the 85GM is the nicest portrait lens for E-mount at the moment, however if you're dubious of the price of the 85/1.8 you won't like the price of the GM haha. Not quite as good as the Nikon 105/1.4 but still very good.
     
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    Fair enough, I'll have a look at some more reviews of the Samyang again. I'll see and let you know, it's hard because sitting here playing with it it seems like the 24-105mm focuses fine, but in the real world it just falls completely flat and really struggles to focus. Maybe i'm not used to the A7 focusing modes yet too, I guess.

    True, I'll have a look at the 55mm, the size is appealing, if only it was faster than 1.8!
     
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    the 85mm FE was my favourite portrait lens, until i got the sigma 105mm 1.4
    Completely different usage experience though!
     
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    The Sony glass is infact very very good and worthy of the price. And comparatively to the top tier Canikon glass these days not that much more.
     
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    It's kind of amusing at this point when people complain about lens price disparity with Sony. Just to look at a few common lenses -

    35/1.4 - $2199 for Sony, $2495 Canon
    50/1.4 - $2149 Sony, $1926 for Canon EF (2006 design), $3189 for RF
    85/1.4 - $2226 Sony, $2079 Canon

    Sony don't sell $300 plastic junk is all.
     
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    Where did you get your prices from?

    35/1.4 - $2199 for Sony, $2000 Canon
    50/1.4 - $2149 Sony, $345 for Canon EF (You can get the Canon 50/1.2 for $1600)
    85/1.4 - $2226 Sony, $1900 Canon

    85/1.8 - $829 Sony, $415 Canon
    24-70 2.8 $2760 Sony $1800 Canon
    70-200 2.8 $3078 Sony, $2100 Canon

    There is not a single Sony lens that is cheaper than the Canon equivalent, and a lot cost 50% more. *That* is why people say that Sony glass is expensive.
     
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    Chatting to a fellow convert who owns a 5D-iii and who bought a A7Riii with 24-70mm Zeiss GM to do video work. And to quote:

    I have no idea what the bizarre video behavior is.
     
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    I grabbed them from CameraPro, I didn't cross-check a bunch of sites as the prices for both brands obviously vary a lot when sales are on etc.

    I can see on paper you might compare lenses like Canon's 50/1.4 and Sony's 50/1.4 but these lenses are in massively different classes. Same FL and aperture but far apart in build and IQ...my Canon 50/1.4 had basically fallen apart after 6 months of use. Sony make a 50/1.8 for $400 which is really the equivalent comparison.

    Even looking at another store like DigiDirect who are usually very competitive on price, the 24-70's are $2778 (Sony) vs $2398 (Canon). Their 70-200 is expensive AF though, I'll give you that :) Luckily I hate 70-200's and don't need one.

    There are definitely examples where Sony can be higher priced, but I think it's also important to remember that almost all of their lens designs have released within 2-3 years and are generally the highest quality you can get. Add in that A7iii's can be had for around $2800 while 5D4's are often still $3500+ and I just can't see price as being a discussion point for the Sony system on the whole.
     
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