Discussion in 'Science' started by JSmithDTV, Aug 18, 2019.
Protesters providing our lab-grown meat?
I knew the vegans would come in handy for something.
No more rodeos?
Yes... attached to a head is less disgusting, or is it?
... are those fruit loops I see there?
On veganism, First Dog On The Moon:
Vegans! Why won't they leave us alone to consume the flesh of tortured animals in peace?
Always good sarcasm.
I cannot see it being more efficient than nature. Feedlots aint nature and they are not efficient, when one factors in the inputs of the feed stock, transport etc. We are lucky in Tassie we have small scale farmer, a few independent abattoirs and good butchers. Hasnt been stitched up by Colesworths.
Yep, feedlots and housed systems are a massive proportion of the problem in general, and they make up a huge part of the northern hemisphere's food production.
I think it could potentially be more efficient than nature, it would depend on how they're making a useable form of energy for cell growth/division, and how that stacks up at a macro level against growing feed and rumination end-to-end.
It certainly removes the moral issue that a lot of people have around an animal having to die for their meal, but as far as climate change and environmental issues more broadly go, it could be even worse for all we know with the information made public.
Moral issues? Have these idiots havent worked on a farm (bad generalisation) in their lives? Do they like their leather? Or is meat made in supermarkets? Yeah more processed food, substances...
I agree, but they don't, and you can't make them eat what they don't want to.
I'd at least do a burger.
if it keeps wild herds from extinction via sustainable "farming" of various ruminants I am pro.
eg. wild deer in the u.s.
it's when hunting is done in an unsustainable fashion that it becomes a problem (depends how one defines "the problem"). in the same way as fishing quotas maintain wild fish stock in the oceans.
protein yields per unit area are higher for plants...can't really argue there. But from a biodiversity perspective I'd rather keep the animals alive , than reduce the earth to a less biodiverse feed lot for the humans only crowds....
If only we could shut them up about it.
They're spreading the good word bruh.
You need extinction pressure to encourage biodiversity, for a simple example, look at how antibiotic resistance developed. When you try and keep things static and safe, then you sacrifice diversity.
i call it dynamic equilibrium. not static/stagnant as such.
Devil's advocate: the handful of vegans I know will not purchase or wear products that involve any animal product.
I emphasise that I am not a vegan so these aren't my choices or processes. But the few I know do go to extended lengths to avoid animal products in all parts of their lives, not just food. And yes, I and they realise it's impossible to reduce their impact to zero (because it's impossible to truly know a product's manufacturing lifecycle), but they do what they can, where they can, to the best of their knowledge.
I know a few like that as well. I am over shit imitation leather eg belts you find in department stores. Found a local that makes them and fitted me one. 3 years and still going strong.
Doesn't have to be black/white or either extreme. If everyone cut down on meat (regardless of where it came from) it would help. Having no meat once or twice per week helps. These arguments don't have to become batting for a team (not saying that everyone here is behaving that way).
So far the "yes" response is winning this poll... 17/26.
Yes and no, just reading about the native wildlife cull down here for the past 5 years, what a fucking waste of meat.