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Locks, and How to Open Them : OCAU's Locksport Thread

Discussion in 'Other Toys/Hobbies' started by BlueRaven, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. cvidler

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    that's a pretty challenging bitting.
    got a deep hook pick?
     
  2. MR CHILLED

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    Cool thread. Been looking to pick up one of these kits from banggood, just never got around to it; seen them advertised all the time. Keen to hear the results.
     
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  5. caspian

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    Pickpals has a starter Southord kit for $25 delivered. https://www.pickpals.com.au/buy-lockpicks/sets/product-pickpals-intro-set/?v=6cc98ba2045f

    Sparrows kickstart set for $45 delivered. https://www.pickmylock.com.au/product/sparrows-kick-start-set (Sparrow themselves sell it for $25 Canuckistan Dollhairs, but shipping would eat most of the difference and it's a crap time of year to ship internationally. https://www.sparrowslockpicks.ca/kick_start_p/s0.htm)

    Scratch the above... try $28.60 shipped! http://www.locksmithstoolbox.com/SPARROWS_kick_start_p/aaspks.htm

    Or a nice Southord 14-piece with case for $44. http://www.locksmithstoolbox.com/product_p/sthpxs14.htm

    Sparrows TOK tension tools $7.70. http://www.locksmithstoolbox.com/product_p/aatfs.htm

    I've ordered from Locksmith Toolbox before... their web site is a bit plain but absolutely zero complaints about their service.

    [edit] a few more I just saw, bit higher cost but good value, all for $55:

    Petersons... hooks, snakes, 2-hump Bogota, city rake, couple of extractors, 1 TOK wrench. http://www.locksmithstoolbox.com/Peterson_The_Ciy_Set_Pick_Set_p/pcit-1enp.htm

    Better Peterson IMO... hook/snake/rake/half diamond, decoder and a nice TOK wrench. http://www.locksmithstoolbox.com/product_p/pbm5-ps.htm

    and a Sparrows set: hook, kinda hook half-diamond, snake, double and triple Bogota, city rake, and both TOK and BOK wrenches. good value, more raking than SPP, but you can add single pin picks for very little later. http://www.locksmithstoolbox.com/SPARROWS_creeper_set_p/aascp.htm
     
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    Great stuff guys, thank you.

    caspian, will definitely be checking out those links after my Banggood kit arrives and I've satisfactorily determined that I'm not completely useless at this. :)
     
  7. caspian

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    if you want some cheap fun in the meantime, get a decoder knife and spend some time playing with a simple wheel lock. you can make one from a piece of feeler gauge stuck into a wooden handle.

    you get a totally different point of view on those key safes that Bunnings sells. :)
     
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    Good suggestion, I need to get off my arse and go look through all my tool boxes/boxes-o-random-shit to find all the old padlocks/combo locks/travel locks that I know I've kept, despite having lost the keys. :lol:

    Also edited OP with a few CYA points regarding everyday carry.
    Probably gone a bit over the top on the legal stuff in the OP, but we all know that people can be fucking idiots sometimes (especially via the internet) and I wouldn't want Agg to cop any unnecessary blowback
    (even though it's all already covered quite clearly in the existing legislation... putting it in plain text can't hurt).

    Edit of the edit: Also added this, to lighten the mood a bit...

    Quite happy to hear any stories of people pretending to be James Bond and just ruining the lock, or whatever... :lol:
     
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  9. apsilon

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    Anyone know if the Thule roof rack locks are wafer locks? I think they are. Mentioned to a mate that I've started playing with this stuff and first thing he said was his sister bought a car that came with roof racks but no key for them and she wants them off.
     
  10. caspian

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    yes, they are. to my knowledge, most double-side cut keys are for wafer locks.

    Thule locks have their key number stamped on the lock as per below, and the keys are freely available from eBay. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141716632548

    thule-single-lock-core_3.jpg

    a lot of physical security is puerile. :)
     
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    Same for generic lock nuts on wheels. You can buy them off eBay.
    That, or a cheap socket set and a mallet will do the trick, too.
     
  12. apsilon

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    Where's the fun in buying a key? If they're happy for me to try it I'm happy to learn from it.
     
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    most wafer locks are easy to rake, either with a specific wafer lock rake, of if you don't have any of those, a bogata, or worm rake.
     
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    in case they maybe want to put them back on and take them off again without picking them every time?
     
  15. apsilon

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    True but I get the impression she hates them so they won't go back on.

    Just playing with another Master padlock I found I had laying around. This time a brass body rather than the stacked construction. Still stupidly easy to just rake open, harder to SPP though due to the much smaller key way.
     
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    One thing I've discovered since getting interested in all this stuff is how I'm starting to almost subconsciously analyse the physical security of wherever I happen to be, still randomly at this stage though.
    Deadlatch handle set that rattles: "bet I could shim that in a couple of seconds".
    Filing cabinet: "cheap keyed-alike wafer lock, gotta be on the lowest rung"
    Every older model double-sided car key ever: "The door locks and the ignition take the same key so they're both wafer locks, on every car..."

    Once you start taking all the bypass-style attacks into account as well as realising how so many many locks are really just an illusion of security... well, interesting (and slightly alarming) stuff.
     
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    Be careful with wafer locks. It's easy to bend the wafers and mess the lock up.
     
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    Me kit showed up. :D:thumbup:

    First impressions vid in my pre-reserved #2 post, here also for your convenience:
     
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    Or the keys to Kawasaki motorbikes - lock number is on the barrel :D
     
  20. apsilon

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    Bought a few more bits, set of Sparrow "Coffin Keys" and wafer picks. Been trying them out around the office, you can open the typical office furniture locks in under 10 seconds. Doesn't look as suss as if you were trying to pick it, just looks like the typical sticky cheap lock trying to get the key in. Should catch up with my mate this weekend and will try those Thule roof racks I mentioned earlier.

    Also have a cut away practice lock coming. I bought the non cut away set along with the reload set and in hind sight should've just bought the one cutaway lock and the reload set. I think I'm ready to start playing with security pins and think having the cutaway and being able to physically see what's happening will assist learning.
     

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