Locks, and How to Open Them : OCAU's Locksport Thread

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  1. cvidler

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    readily available. go to bunnings, skip the lock isle, go to the tool shop - the good locks are behind the counter.

    maybe go back to the lock isle, and check for a new hasp/staple. years ago I had a cage broken into by simply bending the body of the padbolt so the bolt no longer was of use. best padlock in the world can't stop poor installation technique.
     
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    When we went for inspection, the empty cages were "sealed" with... a cable tie.
    They're the usual pressed tin partitions with a bit of mesh above, self tappers holding the lock hasps/bolts on.
    Reckon I'll just buy a cheap thing, after thinking it through. Security garage after all, the car/pedestrian gates are much more sturdy
    (although still easily bypassed by the likes of you lot with a bit of problem-solving, no doubt :)).
    That said, if I drop 30-40 bucks on a "decent" padlock, I can then practice on it...
     
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    on mine after the padbolt was bent outta shape, I replaced it with a more solid design, and like you was fitted with screws, replaced all the screws with rivets.

    Another security tip, put up something to block view (e.g. corflute panels) - if a potential thief can't see what's in there, they'll not be so tempted - especially if the access method exceeds their skills vs. time/covertness.
     
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    nice update view on the SWICK kickstarter yesterday.
     
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    I've always been of two minds on this. On one hand no one can see what's in there, could be lots of good stuff, lots of junk or could be nothing. On the other hand, someone could easily think "must have something worth hiding therefore worth taking".

    If a hasp and/or staple are held on by tek screws then there's almost no point in locking it at all. Only an idiot is going to go after the lock if they could bypass it with a screw driver or socket. If replacing with rivets is an option then definitely do that but even then I wouldn't go over board on the lock as the weak point is still going to be the hasp/staple as a crowbar is going to pull the lot off anyway. Remember you're only stopping the opportunistic and don't keep anything in there of value IMO.
     
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    agree that you're only stopping the opportunistic.

    when I had my house built, I had my water heater booster stolen, they just unscrewed the mounting brackets. short of dynabolting it to the wall, making it any more secure would mean they would just start destroying stuff to get it off if they really wanted to.

    I reckon it's dodgy tradies ripping them out of just built houses and then selling them to a builder in the next estate being built, who knows how many times the same booster gets sold and stolen? all of the fittings were nicely turned off and neatly disconnected, which meant they had tools, which means they also had the tools to just break things if the bolts got welded up etc.

    given a lot of security is about just making you less than the most attractive target and I figured they had moved on, I elected to just have it replaced under warranty and there have been no further issues. and yes, it's entirely possible my insurance company paid the thief to replace it with my own booster!
     
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    ^^^ TINFOIL HAT ENGAGED ^^^ (they'd just get sold for scrap wouldn't they? least effort/least risk strategy?)

    Hands up all those who have spotted that I just derailed my own locksport thread into a general "physical security" discussion.... :Paranoid:

    Lets face it, the boundaries are always going to be a bit blurred there.
    As long as it generates interesting discussion and not a load of repetitive waffle, have at it I say.
    Feel free to disagree below of course. If you're in that sort of mood. :D

    caspian did you get an email about the survey for pick profile choices etc?
    Nothing received here yet, guess they are still working on it...
     
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    it's least effort, but there's even more profit to be made selling something at full cost when you haven't paid for it. and you know where it is so you can go and steal it later, to pull the same gag again.</derail>

    I don't think I am getting a survey, I picked the Adept Plus offer, not the extra blade kit. I have far more picks than I need now. :Paranoid:
     
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    current "mini" kit:

    a few Peterson rakes/bogies/hooks, decoder knife, BOK/TOK wrenches.
    bunch of assorted wafer key jigglers... Sparrows coffin keys, Sparrows and Peterson wafer tryouts
    Abus bypass driver (incredibly easy to use)
    Sparrows Master Switch
    small torch and spare battery

    [​IMG]
     
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    Meant to comment earlier, nice kit mate. Where did you get the case from? With one of the pick kits or seperately?
    Small hi-power LED torch is such a smart but commonsense idea, so much easier to manage than a phone.
    Addition of extra battery elevates kit to Master level. :)

    Re. the SWICK survey, I thought that everyone got to choose their preferred profiles, is there a "standard" set for those who didn't grab the extra pick option?
    I need to go back and re-read the kickstarter page, derpy derp.

    Picked up keys to the new place and found our storage cage today... it's got a padlock left on it already, time to get some practice in... :D
    Found my rivet gun during the packing process too... :thumbup:
     
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    this is incredibly random, but the case is actually from one of these: https://www.tommeetippee.com.au/product/caring/healthcare

    my wife saw it in an op shop and grabbed it for me as she knows I love little tool cases. a very good alternative is a small Maxpedition organiser like this. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uaXrs_GBXGY/maxresdefault.jpg

    the light is a Manker E11 14500, I love the batteries because they stay charged for absolutely ages so they're great for an intermittent use kit. nothing worse than going for a tool when you need it and the rotten thing is flat. I got mine through liteshop.com.au, they have an Australia Day sale at the moment - 10% off with discount code AD19. (I have no affiliation with these guys whatsoever except as a customer, but I believe anyone can use the code.)

    to my knowledge the standard tool set is the one shown here (copy the URL, I don't think the forum media embed respects the start time):

    Code:
    https://youtu.be/UyFLXxnf96o?t=375
     
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    Bought a set of cheap practice locks on eBay last week, they arrived today.


    cheap. but novel for showing lock internals.


    Got a 6-pin pin-tumbler pad lock
    - shimmable
    - bypassable
    - combable
    - rakeable
    - easy SPP (no security pins)
    - not re-keyable (I should be able to fix that with some drill work and some set screws)
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    A 7-pin dimple euro cylinder, each side is keyed differently. haven't played with this one much yet, no obvious major faults, no security pins, but I can fix that.
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    a 8-disk disk detainer padlock, this one is a joke.
    - double ball bearing locking - win
    - not bypassable
    - BUT.... You can 'knife' it open. can open it with the key only partly inserted (touching only the first few disks). seem just about anything will open it.
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    (it was harder to hold the phone to do this video than to open it)

    Upon closer inspection the first disk seems to rotate freely of the disk pack, and I think this has meant the side bar is loose, so essentially it can't work.

    I wanted something to practice DD picking, before tackling my Abloy. but meh.



    Over all, cool to have some see-through locks, but they won't be seeing much practicing. cheap - worth every cent. lol
     
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    Nice, I've got a clear padlock but I should grab the other two as well. I find them great for showing other people.
     
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    They look great! Got an eBay ID to share?
     
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    Good stuff man, thanks for keeping the dream alive. :lol:
    Acrylic padlock looks damn near identicle to the one I got with my kit, loose as a 2-dollar whore. *cough*

    I've kind of dropped off in interest since getting my cheap pick set and raking/picking all the stuff I have immediately available. (see above)
    Out of a job atm and looking for a new full-time role, so money is too tight to spend on frivolities like locksport.
    Got a few bites though, so hopefully this will change in the near future.

    Still eagerly following the SWICK kickstarter, David dropped off the grid for a month or so but it sounds like he's making progress slowly, hopefully he will start dispatching backer rewards in a few weeks. I backed for a SWICK plus extras with a Schlage 6-pin cutaway lock and security pin set, so that will definitely reignite my interest when I receive it!
     
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    Minor update regarding the SWICK kickstarter, for those who enjoy warming their hands by a good ol' crowdfunding dumpster fire.
    Creator David Storm kickstarted Minor Internet Uproar #461,709,514 by going radio-silent for several months, prompting the usual calls of "where is the product I paid for".
    Life for desperate backers has since been improved by the addition of Christina Palmer (who collaborated on the design of the pick blades) and someone called James (who is responsible for milling the cutaway locks promised as backer rewards) as collaborators on the project; they are now handling backer communication. It has been expressly stated that David will no longer be handling any online enquiries or comments, and these two are basically doing it out of the goodness of their hearts because David is "very busy working 80 hour weeks, and this is a side project".

    Still no word as to a production date for the now-repeatedly-revised product.
    I wait with bated breath to find out whether I've pissed about 130 Aussie Microbucks up against a wall.
    Kickstarter eh? You live and you learn.
     
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    Unfortunately seems to be increasingly common with Kickstarter. At least in this instance it seems to be a genuine mistake/miscalculation and there's work being done to fix it unlike many that were simply a scam right from the start. Hope it works out in the end.

    I wish I had more time to put into this hobby. I find it rather interesting but like many things you need to develop a feel for it which means practice. I did buy a tubular impressioning tool recently. Amazing how simple, quick and effective it is.
     
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    I am fairly confident that it will, albeit in a greatly delayed timeframe. There's plenty of backer comments calling scam but these same comments are often also demanding delivery of "the product that I ordered and paid for", so they're obviously from people who didn't actually understand how Kickstarter works before laying their money down. I have little sympathy or reason to believe them.
    Christina has clearly stated that she would not be still involved with the project if she believed it was going to fail. Given that sane people are generally extremely unwilling to ruin their reputation for nil financial compensation, I'm much more inclined to believe her. :)

    I note and agree with your comment about available time, but for me the problem is mainly motivation. Hence backing the kickstarter to get a cool new tool into production with the additional reward of a 6-pin cutaway lock and security pins sets for it. Figured that would keep me busy for a good long while. Now that it's stalled, I have no new stuff to play with and advance my skills, so I've lost a lot of motivation. There's nothing else around here that I can practice picking without breaking Rules 1 and 2. It's worth noting that the SWICK project is only at the 7-month mark... I'm hoping to see some concrete result by the 1 year mark. The creator's initial timeframe of 3 months to production was obviously ludicrously optimistic once he started trying to "perfect" the design, and it's caused him a lot of unneccesary drama.

    I keep getting tempting emails for deals from PickPal, but I've got proper expenses to pay for like car rego/major service...:rolleyes:
     

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