MacBook's "Old" Butterfly Keyboard vs "New" Butterfly Keyboard "2.0"

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  1. sonicthemouse

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    Yo OCAU!

    So, the 2015 and 2016 MacBook models (and some MacBook Pros I believe) use the first iteration of the butterfly keyboard, and the 2017 MacBook uses the "second generation" butterfly keyboard.

    The gist of it is that while neither of them are as good as the older MacBook Pro keyboard with scissor switches but after that, the reviews seem to be split:

    The arguments are either:
    1) the second generation is a significant improvement, and has much better tactile feedback, despite the extremely short key travel
    or
    2) they're both so shit, don't even bother trying to compare them

    My problem is, that none of the Apple stores have one of the older ones to try out, so I can't test both side-by-side.

    Has anyone upgraded from an original MacBook 12" to the 2017 MacBook 12", and can give a direct comparison?

    I'm not that stressed about the rest of the differences between the various MacBook 12" models, but I don't want to pay the extra for a 2017 model if the keyboard is not actually that much better.

    Thanks :thumbup:
     
  2. Hater

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    Depends what you want, if you're an actual user and need a proper keyboard for anything serious, those new keyboards are absolutely fucking junk.

    Probably fine if you sit there and watch YouTube and maybe type a Facebook post now and then.

    Unrelated to MacBook Rant-tangent below.

    I'm not saying my 2012 MBP has a great keyboard, but my old 2015 model had no tactile feel whatsoever, I kept missing keystrokes at an annoying rate because I couldn't feel if I was hitting the thing or not. Ever tried to type really fast on an iPad screen? Kind of like that.

    Apples entire "Pro" line is junk, and has been since 2014 or so. Professionals are not where the money is anymore, in the late 90's/early 00's, the Professionals were the only thing keeping the company afloat, but now it's all about dickheads with iOS bullshit. Be damned if you're as heavily invested in the Apple professional software stack, I'd have jumped ship if Adobe did Premiere for Linux, although fuck Adobe for their stupid subscription bullshit.

    In short, fuck the new MBP's almost as much as the trash Mac Pro's. Who gives a fuck about the battery life or how light it is, that's what the MacBook or MBA is for. Pro used to mean something.

    If I had any balls i'd have walked into the iMac Pro launch and thrown a PowerMac G5 at the damn thing.

    Better off running an HP Hackintosh if you ask me.

    In short, for a normal MacBook they're probably fine if you're not looking to write a novel. I personally hate them.

    The MacBook Air still has a normal keyboard and doesn't come with that gaudy-ass touchpad.
     
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    Lol. Thanks, I think. I share your sentiments on Apple (& subscriptions for that matter) in general, but here's some background.

    I currently use a 13" MacBook Pro from ~2013. This is the computer I spend most of my time using, hence why I dissembled and sold my ITX gaming rig. Used it once a month tops. Have a big-ass X79 rig out in the shed I can log onto remotely from this MacBook Pro if I actually need computing power.

    So why am I considering the 12" MacBook?

    The reason I went with this MacBook Pro is it's the only 13" laptop I can find with a > 1440p screen. And it's a 16:10 which I prefer over 16:9. 16:9 or wider is nice for movies/games but to actually get shit done I like 4:3 actually. 1600x1200 was great for me for productivity.

    I run Windows 10 on here and aside from a few keys being swapped (alt/windows, lack of "proper" delete key is also a major pain in the ass), it's great. The keyboard is great to type on, the touchpad is nice and clicky.

    But this one is getting on a bit, battery life is getting a bit shit and it's a bit heavier and larger than the new ones.

    But like you said the new MacBook Pro 13" is not really what I'd call "Pro" either, it has a pro price tag but not enough ports nor added functionality. It's basically a 13" version of the 12" MacBook.

    The 12" MacBook, on the other hand, still has an awesome display, weighs fuck all, and has the same (shitty) trackpad and (shitty) keyboard as the MacBook Pro.

    I don't really care about it being 1" smaller cos I'll just plug it in to my actual monitor / keyboard / mouse when I'm working at my desk anyway. So if it's a choice between the Pro and the MacBook in the current lineup, I'm going the MacBook.

    That's why it comes down to, is the newer iteration of the butterfly keyboard, while still being extremely shit and worse than my current MacBook Pro, enough to justify buying the 2017 model for ~$1200 off OCAU FS, when I can get the 2015 model for ~$800 off OCAU FS.
     
  4. 605jimmy

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    You can watch the refurbished section online and pickup a 13inch 2015 model. They are up sometimes but go extremely quickly. Looking at around $1,350 for i5, 128GB, 8Gb ram. Obviously have the 14 days return policy which I have used literally over 12 times in the last year :) I have tired to use the new style keyboard but keep going back to the older style 2015. I currently have a 2015 15inch and love it.

    Other option is you wait a few months and see what the new MacBook Air will be or the new MacBook Pro. Fingers crossed the new MacBook Pro has a totally new keyboard or something similar to that of the 2015 old style.
     
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    Apparently the new MacBook Pros have a butterfly 3.0 keyboard, thats supposed to be quieter.
     
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    From the videos I have seen not by much. While the hardware is a big improvement nothing much has changed. I was hoping for a lot better keyboard design and the option of a non touch bar version for the 15inch. I will buy the 15inch and keep my old but like new 2015 15inch. Have the 14 day return policy anyway. If I don't like it it's going back for a refund :) One thing I love about Apple. Can't think of any others that do the same. Takes away the buyers remorse.
     
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    I've had a 2016 model for a year or so without any issues. From what I can tell I have just been lucky, because they seem to be pretty unreliable.

    I actually like the short travel keyboards on the new MBPs. Now I'm used to them I can type faster on it that I can on the Magic Keyboard and the big, super stable keys just feel better than the old squishy, wobbly ones.

    I have a 2018 MBP on order. Will update with how that keyboard is once I receive it.
     
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    2018 Keyboard isn't much different form the V2. I got the dearest one instore $4,099 (15inch) but thinking about downgrading to the 256Gb one or the 13inch Touch Bar configured with 16Gb of ram and keep my 2015 15inch too. Too many options :)
     
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    Does the normal macbook have the same keyboard? I absolutely hate the short key travel, barely feels like I'm using the keyboard.
     

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