Neighbours dogs attacking livestock - Ok to shoot?

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  1. WJR

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    So long story short some friends of mine live in the Adelaide hills on a few acres and have some goats which have been attacked and harassed by the neighbours dogs which frequently enter my friends property.

    The neighbours have been asked nicely (several times) to control their dogs which they have failed to do, they were then sent a letter which was also ignored. My friends then approached their local council and they sent a letter also to the dogs owners who promptly ignored that too. The ranger then suggested my friends could build a dog proof fence around their property (lolwut) at great expense.

    I think the time for action has come and offered to shoot them should they enter the property again. I come from an older generation before dogs were elevated to "furry children" status and have no qualms about it. I have also checked with local Police and they said as long as the firearm is registered and it's done in a safe manner then we are within our rights.

    What concerns us is the possibility of legal action from the owners, being affluent types who no doubt love their dogs I'm sure they would try but would they have a leg to stand on?

    The dogs are a rottweiler and a staffy/pitbull looking thing by the way...not ankle snappers.

    Opinions?
     
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  2. jack_son77

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    Forgetting legalities (which I have no idea about).

    Polite letters and council requests are one thing, but surely before shooting the dog, a face to face conversation with the neighbors saying 'if your dogs are seen on my property again, harassing my livestock - they will be shot', needs to be had.

    If they are as attached too and as fond of the dog as you suspect, perhaps this elevated threat will be the catalyst to action.
     
  3. Revenge

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    No bodies... no evidence of anything.

    Shoot them, dispose of them, say nothing.

    If they ask... "Dunno... haven't seen 'em for days"
     
  4. ipv6ready

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    I am sure in your area, you have fox problem.

    Put signs up on property saying Fox POISON Bait deployed

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    Your neighbours doesn't need to know there are no baits, (well at first)
     
  5. the_fuzz

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    In Victoria you can shoot them according to the DOMESTIC ANIMALS ACT 1994

    " DOMESTIC ANIMALS ACT 1994 - SECT 30
    Owner of livestock able to destroy dog or cat found at large near livestock

    (1) The owner of any animals or birds kept for farming purposes, any person authorised by the owner or an authorised officer may destroy any dog or cat found at large—

    (a) in the place where the animals or birds are confined; or

    (b) if the animals or birds are tethered, in the vicinity of the animals or birds.

    (2) The owner, a person authorised by the owner or authorised officer does not incur any civil or criminal liability for acting under subsection (1). "
     
  6. sanjay

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    if i was planning to shoot the dogs then i wouldnt want to be having a conversation beforehand where i directly threaten to shoot the dogs. would definitely prefer to take Revenge's route of pleading ignorance. they will struggle to gather the proof in a court of law to prove you shot the dogs (unless they got you on video or eyewitness evidence).

    EDIT - i would have a look at s 63 of the Dog and Cat Management Act if you wanted to take some action and keep it all above board:

    https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/A/DOG AND CAT MANAGEMENT ACT 1995/CURRENT/1995.15.UN.PDF

    what you would be doing is detaining the dogs (trapping them), then making a demand for payment for the destroyed livestock caused by the dogs, and then if not paid within 7 days, destroying the dogs.

    but you should see a lawyer if you want to get definitive advice.

    EDIT again - wait, never mind - look at s 48 of the Dog and Cat Management Act. youre allowed to kill it if its on your property if it is reasonable and necessary for the protection of life or property (property presumably including livestock).
     
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    SA Dog and Cat Management Act 1995
    https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/A/DOG AND CAT MANAGEMENT ACT 1995/CURRENT/1995.15.UN.PDF

    Should seek legal advice from a solicitor if destruction is the likely option. But you will have to notify the police, local council and the neighbour after the dogs have been put down. It goes without saying that the act will ruin your relationship with the neighbours permanently even if it is their fault they can't control their dogs.
     
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  8. josh_676

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    Got an urge to kill domestic animals?

    Be ready for more than just someone trying to sue you if you kill their dogs.

    :)

    Really weak, you can legally shoot the dogs, if you think you're doing the right thing you wouldn't have to sneak around in the dark of night secretly murdering a dog.

    So grow some integrity confront the owners of the dog and spell out that you will shoot the dogs and charge them for the bullet and damage they have done to your friends livestock.

    Or be gutless and take the suggestions above.
     
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  9. PsydFX

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    Just print out the relevant legislation, and send it to them.

    If it is demonstrated that it is lawful to destroy the dogs, they may just take appropriate action to prevent further incidents.
     
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    legality aside, how are the neighbours expected to react?

    are they going to turn into the neighbours from hell?
     
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    agreed, i found s 48 after writing what i wrote about s 63, so OP should be good to go.

    sounds like the OP has already confronted the owners on numerous occasions. given the operation of s 48 id be comfortable with issuing one last notice (in writing - can give it to them in person if you think that gives you more "integrity") and then shooting the dogs next time they're on the property.
     
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    The law is pretty clear, I used 'integrity ' as any other word would no doubt be reported as a personal attack.

    I'm interested to know if these dogs have caused injury or death to OPs frends animals?
     
  13. power

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    dogs that attack any farm animals need to be destroyed, no ifs buts or maybes - the owner should be doing it themselves.
     
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    I like the fox bait signage idea.

    Let them know too that you've seen some foxes lurking and that's the reason.

    I love dogs, one or two escapes is understandable... but if this is happening frequently and they're not playing ball I would escalate in stages. I.e. as they've already done, talking to them, letters, contacting council/authorities. erecting a dog proof fence is a pretty silly suggestion, containing the neighbours dog isn't their job.
     
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    Agree if you catch them in the act, but in this instance plenty of options that don't involve killing an animal for its owners crimes.

    Plus, you can win the battle but lose the war when dealing with neighbors.
     
  16. dakiller

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    I think the neighbors reaction and retaliation is the only thing to worry about at this point.

    I would be doing it if I was in the same position pending knowing more about your neighbors and what sort of retaliation could occur.

    If you do go ahead with it, don't go hiding it and playing dumb. Completely own up that they had been warned multiple times and they should think about controlling their animals in the future so it doesn't happen again.
     
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    Yer.. wouldn't be surprised if they find some of their livestock dead shortly after though.
     
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    Once an animal starts attacking livestock it must be destroyed - I'd not be doing it myself unless it was my animal though.

    Get proof and call council.
     
  19. josh_676

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    No, it must be locked up and controlled.
     
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    The neighbours HAVE been approached numerous times, many conversations have been had, letters sent, council and Police involved. Relations are already poor but these people live around 400m from my friends so it's not like they're going to crank out some AC/DC in retaliation.

    As for "murdering" the dogs...get a fucking grip. Great lengths have been gone to in order to avoid destroying them...and they're just dogs not "fur kids"

    Thanks to the poster for posting the relevant section of the SA Dog and Cat Management Act 1995 that's helpful. I think I will get my friends to consult a solicitor before proceeding just to be safe.

    I think I'll only have to shoot 1 and the other will bolt and probably never venture out again...point made. Also, the damage to livestock has been limited to bite marks for now because my mate has been pretty quick in running out hollering and waving a stick to scare them off but obviously he can't be there 24/7 and nor should he have to.

    Edit: And nothing secretive will be done, it will be all above board and there's no hiding the sound of a .270 winchester anyway. :)
     
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