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  1. boneburner

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    To be fair, OP is already balls deep by using an rtx 3070 - it seems churlish to overscrimp on the rest of the system. Dont go beserk, but at the same time dont make his son feel like he got socks for xmas :D
     
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    As far as i know after reading a shit ton on ram in the last 2 weeks, 16gb dual channel kit at 3600 and CL16 is THE absolute sweet spot - the looks are just a bonus - oh and the kit is board agnostic, so it doesnt need extra software to run the rgb - the mb software will do that.

    edit: unless you want to make videos, film edit, 3D etc etc.. then 32gb is the sweet spot where the choices change again.
     
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    I could only dream of getting a good current gen system as a kid! I used the low end previous gen, and then upgraded to the next gen when that one had been superseded, still had a lot of fun playing at low graphics though :leet:

    Further to this, yea you don't want to go faster than 3800~ as you'll actually get a performance deficit without some serious tweaking, but the gains to be had between 3200 and 3600 are usually at lower res low graphic settings to the tune of 10fps~, at 1440p medium there's much less of a performance difference
     
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    Really appreciate the advice! Would it be worth getting the PCIe Gen4 NVMe as the boot drive? seems a shame to waste the PCIe Gen4 on the board?
     
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    Unless you're frequently copying massive files you wont notice it, there's not even much difference between a sata ssd and an nvme for gaming (load times), but a pcie3 nvme will boot windows maybe a second or two faster, considering smaller nvmes are about the same price as sata ssds, it's worth getting one as a boot drive and for some frequently played games, and then a second larger sata ssd for everything else
     
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    I just bought a new nvme for boot & went with 1tb pcie4 Sabrent Rocket for $199:

    https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B08F76V39T

    I went with that because the board has an m.2 heatsink that should wick away the heat. The market is a bit odd atm re: pcie 3 & 4 - with only a small price discrepancy between them in some cases. Pcie 4 does run hotter tho & there has been reported problems with some of the controllers.

    If I wanted to shave off a few bucks (and i almost did) i'd still spring for a 1tb boot drive (and thats even tho I have a 2tb storage nvme) as they almost without fail perform better than the 500g versions from the same family/series . 2 good choices are (both prices are with free delivery with prime):

    Kingston 1tb A2000 - $150 https://www.amazon.com.au/Kingston-Internal-Security-SA2000M8-1000G/dp/B07VXC9QMH

    Western Digital WDS100T2BOC Blue SN550 - $152 https://www.amazon.com.au/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD EDIT- Buyer Beware ON THis Product ATM - as WD has been swapping out components - links here

    151528 is correct tho - for most tasks the user experience will be similar on 3 vs 4. 1tb is a good spot where you wont be futtering around feeling cramped for space, and you can at a later date expand this with bulk storage depending on the needs of the user. So either slow bulk media storage on 8-12tb spinning rust - or fast portable SSD storage for game backups/school/whatever.

    & thats my 2c worth :) - good luck with the build.
     
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    Yeah I think 1TB is definitely the way to go. I’ve build with 250 & 500 GB ssd’s in the past and inevitably run out. Like you said, price for the larger is usually good
     
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    Oh and as I have zero idea what your level of expertise is - do NOT pay any attention to sites like PCgamer or PCworld for recommendations. Their lists are semi-auto generated and hopelessly outdated - they're still recommending a 5 year old 250gb ssd as a boot drive fer cryin out loud :lol:

    We do have a dedicated storage/backup forum here:

    https://forums.overclockers.com.au/forums/storage-backup.44/

    EDIT: case in point about the state of the market - breaking news that WD may have swapped out internals leading to a drop in quality on that WD blue SN550 i mentioned. To be fair, most would not notice unless moving very large (12gb or more in size) files. Also to be fair, most games are larger than that amount. - news via: TomsHardware
     
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    No idea what your budget is but you've got a 3070 on the list so I'm going to say dollars are secondary.

    Yes to 5600x, yes to B550 yes to a better NVMe like that Samsung 970 suggested you'll be notice the difference.

    I'd also suggest some Trident NEO 3600mhz instead of the 3200mhz. It's about the sweet spot for AMD, allows you to run infinity fabric 1 to 1 and squeeze out the most extra performance for very little outlay and effort.
     
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    Unless the 3070 prices start coming down i may have to settle for a 3060ti!
    Just ordered the B550 Tomahawk, will it need a BIOS update to run the 5600x?
     
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    I'd suggest keeping an eye out here for a 3070, they go for around the same price of a 3060ti to within $100
     
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    Depends on the shipped bios version, but luckly it supports bios flashback ( cpu less bios flash )
     
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    Nope B450 boards need BIOS updates typically to support Ryzen 5000. B550 and X570 are good to go out of the box!
     
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    Not all b550 are good out of the box, I've had some that have required a bios update
     
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    There are youtube videos showing you how to update out of the box, looks pretty easy. If it doesn't post i know what to do haha
     
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    Scorptec wanted to charge $29 for them to update the bios :/
    Literally 5min job. I feel like it should be a complimentary service!
     
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    Looks good! Curious to know what this build is priced at $$$
     
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    Got the Gainward GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Phoenix (LHR) for $1200 delivered which seems okay.
     
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    cpu Ryzen 5 5600x $419.00
    cooler Noctua NH-U9s + extra fan $140.00
    motherboard MSI Mag B550 Tomahawk $199.00
    ram Antec Katana 3600MHz 2x16GB $159.00
    psu SilverStone 750W Strider Gold S Power Supply $109.00
    case Corsair 4000D $80.00 (2nd hand)
    ssd Samsung 1TB MZVL21T0HCLR $175.00 (2nd hand)
    fans Corsair LL120 RGB 3 pack $50.00 (2nd hand)
    gpu Gainward GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Phoenix (LHR) $1,200.00
    wifi card Asus PCE-AX3000 OEM WiFi 6+BT PCI-E Card $58.00

    total $2,589.00
    Quite a lot (more than i have ever spent!) but won't be touching it for a number of years i suspect.
     
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  20. n2p4u

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    i reckon switch noctua for hyper 212+
    switch B550 for B450
    switch SSD to Crucial P Series
    RGB fans are nice for the first few weeks then they get old quick
     

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