New/First WC build, Lian Li 011

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  1. Rod M

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    Hi Guys,

    Starting to scope out my first watercooled setup,

    It will be an AM4 and possibly vega 64 based system (but GPU is undecided and may end up being an nvidia)

    I will want to use soft/clear tubing.

    No RGB/flashy crap,

    Simple white/black theme in line with the case,

    The three items listed below I am pretty sure about, but everything else I will need some help with the configuration,
    1, Case Lian Li 011 White
    2, water reservior from radikultcustom
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PC-Wate...rentrq:f80abab81660add8ef902e2dffffc82c|iid:1
    3, D5 pump
    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/30676/ek-d5-laing-vario-motor

    This is the planned loop flow:
    radikultcustom reservior (with D5 Pump) -> GPU -> bottom mounted 360mm rad -> CPU -> top mounted 360mm rad -> back to Resevior

    I understand twin 360mm rads is overkill but might as well do it as this case has the space.

    I assume the D5 will be able to produce enough pressure to do this loop?

    Is the barrow and bykski branded products good? (rads, CPU/GPUblocks fitings, tubes etc) or should I stick to the more premium brands.

    Pricing is a factor so happy to use a $30 Barrow CPU block if it performs close to a $100 EK block.

    This is where I am still undecided what/where to buy:

    4, CPU block:
    5, GPU block:
    6, 2x 360mm Rads:
    7, clear soft tubing: (size?)
    8, compression fittings:
    9, drain tap:
    10, fill tap/port:
    11, liquid/concentrate (white colour):
    12, flow meter?
    13 temp gauge?

    120mm fans I have sorted already

    any help from experienced builders would be much appreciated,
     
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    What fans did you choose to go with RodM? Be interested to know as it can help make radiator recommendations a little easier :) And you were like silentpc or something back in the day werent you? :)
     
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    I have 6x Papst 4412FGL fans I would like to use,

    https://www.ebmpapst.com/en/product...-fans/axial_compact_fans_detail.php?pID=54024

    these may not be the best at producing pressure so the rads will probably need to be thinner models with nonrestrictive airflow,
     
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    I'd say a block is only as good as its mounting. By that I mean a good block with a bad mount will perform worse than an average block with a good mount. A few degrees wont make a huge difference for you I dont think so the Barrow or Bykski will do. I have heard no bad about barrow stuff and performancepcs is now carrying a lot of their stock so its got to be acceptable atleast :)

    Rads, you should be fine with EKWBs PE series and those PAPSTs. The SE series are quite thin but work ok. I have my 1600X Ryzen/R9 Nano pretty much in race tune on only a 120SE and a 240SE in ITX and My CPU hits about 58degrees and GPU sits low 40s all under 100load. 2 x SE series 360s and you can just spin those fans real nice and quiet and still have good cooling capability. The D5 will be plenty enough for this system for sure Rod.

    Fittings are pretty much like bling. Whats your preference? Me I like 3/8 id x 5/8 od just because its easier to route and tighter looking bends. Cathar and LHG et al back then did all the tube size experimenting and there really is SFA difference over a loop like this so I've always just stuck at 3/8id. Even now on hardline builds I pretty much stick to 10mmID 12mmOD

    Pastels are meh for longevity.

    Thermaltake do a flow/temp sensor in one : https://www.pccasegear.com/products/44185/thermaltake-pacific-tf1-temperature-and-flow-indicator

    Someone else will come along and tell you different, but there really is no absolutes. Comes down to personal choice and wallet. You dont need $15/pc fittings to look good. :)

    Hope my 2c helps mate.
     
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    Thanks for the detailed response, :thumbup:

    so all of the WC gear seem to use G1/4 thread?


    so avoid the pastel colours? I was hoping I could use this:
    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/44288/ek-cryofuel-solid-cloud-white-concentrate-250ml


    the EK-CoolStream SE 360 seem like a decent price from PCCG
    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/40557/ek-coolstream-se-360-slim-triple-radiator

    EK DuraClear 3/8ID 5/8OD Tubing 3m
    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/37598/ek-duraclear-3-8id-5-8od-tubing-3m



    Barrow Color G1 /4 3/8"ID X 5/8"OD 10 X 16mm tubing hand Compression fittings water cooling fitting (in White)
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bar...lgo_pvid=20e199cf-5c98-4821-9d8f-75de147f77e0

    Barrow CPU Water Block
    https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...ml?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.1.63fc5fb2S4sCMn


    I am really only looking at PCCG-ALIexpress and Ebay retailers, are there any others I should be looking at ?
     
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    Yeah pretty well standardised out now at G1/4

    PLE.com.au
    UMart.com.au

    aliexpress is likely to be your cheapest source. Barrow do radiators also so maybe worth looking at their 360mm also. Those fans will do reasonable on any rad up around to the 40mm thickness so its really a personal choice, looks, finances etc all weigh in but really dont need 720mm of rad and fan full blast to cool what you're aiming to so SE360s are good economical enough and will help with fan noise. Overkill is always appreciated but not always required.
     
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    That reservoir is fucking sexy, I love it.

    If you're not going RGB and want it understated, I'd keep your blocks similar to your res - acetal tops. Something like an EK Velocity for the CPU, an EK Vector for the GPU, some Nickel plated fittings and clear tube. Clean and simple.

    I'd only put one radiator in the O11 - I know it'll fit two, but you really only need one, and you'll have an easier time showing the res off without a fat rad in the front. The side-mount is awesome, I'm strongly considering the O11 for my next rebuild (it's between the O11 Air RGB and the Thermaltake View 37 - but no PSU shroud shits me).

    I use and recommend 3/8" - 5/8" tubing for mid-sized cases - takes a tighter bend to kink. Purely your choice, and whatever you can get your hands on fitting-wise, cheaper. Makes little difference other than looks :thumbup:

    I recommend a temp probe in your coolant somewhere - aside from commissioning a new loop, it's the only temp I monitor. A temp probe stop plug in one of the spare ports on the res works a treat - plumb it into a motherboard temp header or a standalone display/controller - whatever suits.

    From the provided curve on your link, the Papst fans you have will be a decent fit - a fair bit of pressure possible. As long as you're not going for a sky-high FPI on the radiator, you'll kill it.

    The D5 is a good choice and will handle the loop fine.

    Flow meters, unless you're springing for an AquaComputer, are generally more trouble than worth - the res will show water flow, and the gaskets in cheaper flow meters are often poorly-fitted from the factory and leak - twice bitten, thrice shy. I only use one in my cleaning loop in the shed now, and only because it's there :p

    As said above, be careful with your dye, especially solid colours long-term. The pastel dyes are often designed for short-duration show rigs, and can precipitate out into sludge. With what you're looking at doing, I'd just run clear.

    Alternatively, I often run a few drops of industrial degreaser in the cleaning loop, and this sends the water opaque, pearlescent white after a few hours. I have no data on running it long-term (nor heat transfer effects), but it does look nice in clear tanks and lines, and hasn't affected my gear (other than putting a nice shine on internals) short-term. No warranty included nor implied :p

    Quoted for truth.

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    Is it the O11 or the O11 Dynamic you're considering? If it's the later it's quite a tight fit for an EATX board if you go with something like a crosshair.
     
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    thanks for the replies guys,

    • 3/8" - 5/8" tubing looks like the way to go,
    • no flow meter,
    • no solid colour (what additive if any do you recommend to add to the distilled water? industrial degreaser sounds interesting, but might look at that down the track)

    is there anything wrong with this Rad? (it is very cheap)
    Bykski B-RD360-TN 360mm 3 x 12cm Copper Radiator
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Byk...pm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.263.7ea33c00QKnvYw



    this temp gauge looks ok, Y/N? thoughts?
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bar...pm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.272.2f233c00B9oRD7

    and I will probably get one of these to measure reservoir temps,
    https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...l?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.29.7cf878abMFYyIC
     
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    Dynamic,

    but also wont be running an EATX, or planning to in the Future,

    I will use my current MB/CPU (in sig) at first. then may look at something more fancy when third gen Ryzen comes out,


    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/43082/lian-li-pc-o11-dynamic-tempered-glass-case-white
     
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    That rad has a pretty low fin count so wouldnt need much fan pressure allowing you to run those Papsts at a nice low rpm and enjoy the quiet. 2 of would be pretty good.
    I like that temp sensor display :)

    If you arent looking for coloured system, distilled water and silver kill coil is sufficient and stealth looking :)
     
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    check out this vid, (at 7:20) GPU height is an issue when bolting on an aftermarket waterblock,



    this might be a sticking point.

    this guy also show off the waterblock i am planning on getting from the States,
     
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    Side mount 1 rad and roof the other then use vertical GPU or just run a single fat rad side mounted, should be enough still.
     
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    yea but then I wont be able to use that side mounted reservoir,

    there seems to be a fair number of compatible blocks here: http://www.lian-li.com/air-gpu-guidance-list/

    I just need to go through and find a card and block,
     
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    There are custom reservoirs like the one you linked from ebay made by barrow and byski on ali express that look a bit better than that ebay one imo. Check em out.
     
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    yea I have seen them, I am not a fan as they want to route the pipes back to the res for each step, they also seem to be better suited for hardpipes,

    the Ebay one uses a D5 pump that is mounted behind so you can see it working, I think it has a better/cleaner layout imo, (one line in, one line out, one fill port, one drain port)
     
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    Nah, a true D5 pulls about 30W from memory. That's a smaller pump made to fit D5 compatible gear by the looks of it mate.

    Plastic bearing surround also a giveaway.
     
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    Thanks, I came across it looking for other stuff, will give it a miss then,
     

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