New Mac Mini 2018

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  1. koss

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    Wowsers 10gb ethernet in something that small, hardware HEVC, can see these puppies being rolled out for servers and render farms.

    Im thinking one of these would be so awesome for an emulation box on the TV :)
     
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    User upgradable RAM... to 64GB :)

    I will be ordering one yes.
     
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    Dont know how they pulled that off, its dam small
     
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    They are a bit expensive, I use Mac Mini because I share my display between a PC, Mac Mini, and Linux box, don't need 3 screens! Still using a 2010 core 2 duo Mac Mini on High Sierra because I don't think it supports Mojave without a hack.
     
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    They had to, considering the flak the 2014 model received.

    Well, not had to... but y'know what I mean.
     
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    Thank god they went back to user upgradeable ram. The next question is the SSD soldered on to the mobo?
     
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    Very likely to be soldered as its intergrated in with the T2 hardware encryption chip and probably 3GB/s+ transfer speeds.

    Really a minor issue though considering it has 4 thunderbolt 3 ports and 2 USB3 and OSX is happy to run off external storage if it came to it.
     
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    Yep, from someone on macrumors:

    Hmm, is TB3 phyiscally the same as USB3.1? External SSD would be cheaper than paying the Apple tax:

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    The fuck Apple?
     
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    TB3 poses 0 bottlenecks for SSDs so it will be very fast. Definately a decent markup but I wouldnt be saying blanket Apple tax, would cost alot to produce custom boards with extra storage not to mention I wouldnt be surprised if this gen pushes near 4GB/s transfer speeds internally.
     
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    SSD prices have dropped dramatically. I can get the exact same 1TB of storage from umart for $500 (or half that for a regular SATA3 SSD). And it's not custom, it's just a Samsung SSD that is directly soldered onto the logic board. So MAYBE if they account for R+D costs for developing the interface (doubt it, it's just a physical connection) I still don't see how they justify that $500 extra.
     
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    They have to produce the entire board with the memory chips which requires a seperate or specialised production line. Probably a different controller also.

    Not saying the cost is justified but its not comparable to an off the shelf SSD either.
     
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    This is standard in almost everything now in the pro space. 10GbE copper on a small chip is trivial, and almost everything comes with it standard.

    Again, trivial. I have a $11 Orange Pi made in China that does hardware HEVC encode and decode. My ancient mobile phone does too.

    Render farms? No fucking way. Cost per unit is insane, density is way too poor, software issues with network storage are still a nightmare to manage under macOS.

    Unless you're an end-to-end Mac shop, your renderfarm will remain PC hardware to keep cost benefits at their highest ratios for the given densities. And if you are an end-to-end Mac shop, you're not working on anything of notable scale or complexity (because you can't).

    Nice enough for smaller places in the Mac ecosystem. But as usual, it's Apple playing it safe being a couple of generations behind everyone else. No real news here, other than inevitable progress that is just enough to stop people who still need Mac workstations from jumping ship.
     
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    $6659 Bargain! Where do I sign up?
     
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    I wonder if it's cheaper to go for the Apple 10GB option, or buying a 10GB TB3 dongle.
     
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    Knew you would show up sooner or later, if its so trivial, why does Windows have such a shit time with it?

    I know of nothing with this form factor that has 10GBe yet.

    Could easily be a cheap render farm (compared to blade servers). Can easily fit 9-12 of those Mac mini’s in a 1RU space.
     
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    $155 sounds pretty fair to me for a 10Gbe controller upgrade. 10GBe is still bloody expensive for the most part.
     
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    Someone's gotta keep you tied to the realm of business reality. Especially when you start talking about professional renderfarms, which is quite clear you've never touched, given the nonsense you carry on with.

    Have a shit time with what? Hardware HEVC? 10GbE? Both have been supported and working in Windows and Linux for an age (we've been doing it for quite some time, because it's our whole industry, and how we make a dollar). Any evidence to suggest otherwise?

    6 core x 9 is 54 physical cores. We're already beating that density with non-blade hardware, and blade beats that again. 12 Mac minis in 1RU? I doubt it. I've seen lots of folks try Mac minis in rackmounts, and it always fails.

    Cramming CPUs into a space is about 10% of managing a render farm. Power and thermal management are far more critical at scale. How do you manage heat output of Mac Minis if you're stuffing 9+ in to that space? How do you manage cabling and power? Are you just snaking copper cables in all over the place? How do you reboot them remotely if and when they crash? Where's your lights-out, hardware-level power control? How do you automate the power control so your render dispatcher deals with the power outage, so you're not wasting precious render time at 3am?

    I mean, shit, have you EVER done this for a living? Like, even once, for more than a dozen machines?

    We buy our 10GbE cards for $50. 1/3 the price you're quoting. Sounds like you need to search around a bit.

    Holy shit, dude. Google is just a click away. Try it out some time. Might save the embarrassment of some of your posts.

    Or perhaps avoid talking about your unfounded hypothesis of how render farms work, and stick to what you know.
     
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    Elvis (The king) enters again unable to consider any use cases outside of his own tiny niche.

    I enjoy these threads for a laugh now.
     
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    Not even close, but nice try.

    By all means, carry on talking about how useful a small form factor (comparatively) high power Mac is good for average end users. I won't argue with that, because it's precisely the target market for this device, and what it's good at. Indeed - ask me why I still recommend MacBooks, Mac Minis and iPads to my least technical friends and family (because literally any moron can use them, and that's a good thing).

    But for the love of everything that is good, don't tell me these things are going into large scale render farms. Not only do I do that for a living, but I'm part of a large community of professionals that does, and I can tell you straight up you're talking out of your arse if you do. If you disagree, give me an example of a single place doing it - I can't find any, and I talk to people who render things at scale for a living daily (and 4 machines in the corner for your 2 editors does not constitute a render "farm", despite your deepest wishes). It's like talking to people who ask me why I don't cluster Raspberry Pis, and then tell me I'm a hater when I say they're not fit for that purpose, despite owning dozens of the things for use in all sorts of projects.

    Horses for courses. Brilliant little desktop machine. Not a render node. I mean, I can hammer a nail in with a spanner for a laugh. But that doesn't make the spanner a good hammer, either.
     
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