New Mac Pro - 2018?

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  1. dirtyd

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    Isn't it an FPGA? eg, not custom silicon. My first thought was Blackmagic, since they released that eGPU with Apple a while ago, and they are pretty handy with an FPGA.
     
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    FPGA doesn’t really mean anything other than the package type. I personally think its Apples own silicon?
     
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    Like all answers in business, "depends".

    Here's some of the things high end media/VFX places occasionally use right now in real world production to solve both on-sight, multi-OS problems as well as "secure workstations in other countries / cloud datacentres" problems. Similar ideas to what you're pitching above, but with more hardware grunt behind it:
    https://www.teradici.com/
    https://www.teradici.com/google/
    https://cloud.google.com/solutions/media-entertainment/
    https://aws.amazon.com/workspaces/
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/virtualization/

    For smaller players, sometimes just buying two machines is easier and long-term cheaper.

    Unlikely. FPGA is flexible, not not fast. Custom silicon is more expensive, but scales far better in performance.
     
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    I'd also like to point out that the monitor *could have conformed to the vesa standard - but instead they have chosen for it not to, just so they can sell a $200 adaptor? - am i reading that wrong?
     
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    The good news is you don't have to buy the monitor. We certainly won't be.
     
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    Last time I looked, the VESA standard isn’t a magnetic mount... thats why there is an adapter.

    Are you honestly complaining about having to pay $200 for an adapter on a $5000 monitor? Go and buy a $300 TN panel monitor if it makes you happy :lol:
     
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    Maybe complaining that Apple chose a non-standard mount size just so they could sell a $200 adapter?
     
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    Jesus Christ the Stockholm Syndrome is strong in you.

    A $10 bit of metal isn't magically worth $200 because of what it's bolted to. Wake up.
     
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    It’s their product, they can make whatever mount they want. Anyone who can afford this Mac Pro and monitor will be looking at $15k+ most likely and would not give 2 shits. It is a custom mount with some unique advantages.

    Alternatively you can go buy a 6K 32” display from one of the many other superior brands on the market.... oh wait there isn’t one :lol:
     
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    FPGA is a field programmable gate array. Maybe you're thinking of BGA?

    https://www.extremetech.com/computi...c-pro-with-modular-design-6000-starting-price

    SerDes on bleeding edge FPGA's do over 112Gbps, and the flexibility would (if they are actually using one) allow adapation to whatever's 'in' or potentially using the FPGA for other specialised compute.
     
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    Yes my bad, will be interesting to see what it actually is. Being that it is optimised for Prores and triple 8K streams with no proxy must be something bloody special though.
     
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    Pretty much this.

    Apple are design>cost, especially on the higher end stuff - And if means the display can be 1mm thinner, or use a prettier design - I bet the type of customer to buy this is all for it.
     
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    From an engineering point of view, I get a hard on over this stuff. Very few if any other companies are so uncompromising on design to cost and the bean counters usually win making a shitter product.
     
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    A product took 6 years to catch up to industry standards and folks are masturbating over the stand. Ask me why I struggle dealing with Apple customers in business.
     
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    You must be fun at parties

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    I assume you mean someone else lol
     
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    I don't buy 6K monitors for parties.

    Unless this is the "New Mac Parties - 2018?" thread, and I took a wrong turn?
     
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    So a lot of people who can't afford/justify the cost of that monitor consoling themselves* with the thought that the monitor isn't for "us" it's for "them" in the pro space who need fancy shit like that. And apparently normally spend $43kUS on a monitor???

    elvis do you think your "not buying that shit" thoughts re the monitor will be the accepted consensus? Is it technically inferior enough that a $30k saving isn't worth it?

    *I'm not being snarky I can't afford it either!
     
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    It's factually accurate to say the following:

    1) There are "good enough" reference monitors that cost far less. The company I work for are rolling them out at scale across about 30 different TV and film sets in production around the planet (AU and overseas) RIGHT NOW. Good enough for folks like ITV, Netflix, Paramount, Disney and others (sorry, not teachers and lawyers).

    2) There are far better reference monitors out there. Pro monitors from the world leaders in display technology (hint: not Apple). If that level of pedantry is required (say, you're Technicolor in Soho, London, or Sony Image Works in Vancouver, and you're literally WRITING THE COLOUR AND VISUAL STANDARDS that the rest of us plebs use), then you're not going to use Apple displays.

    So, who is going to buy this display? I genuinely don't know. I feel it will be a similar story to the Apple Cinema Display - despite all the frothing from Apple fans, I never saw one in a real studio (i.e.: a creative studio that needed colour accuracy and hired more than two people) in the entire time it was for sale.

    My guess is it will be the topic of hot debate by people who... what was the phrase above?...
    but don't actually use them to make profit in the relevant industries. Everyone else will use something that makes more business/industry sense. I saw quite a few Apple Cinema Displays in places where they weren't needed (typically evident by how poorly calibrated they were). But that just reinforced to me the difference between people who knew what they were doing, and people who enjoyed technical masturbation.
     
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