New Mac Pro - 2018?

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  1. shino

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    but warren buffet bought 1billion worth of apple stock? is he stupid...?
     
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    Does this mean Macbook Pros will go back to SSD's and RAM that is not soldered in place?

    *dreaming*

    Z...
     
  3. Hater

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    (protip: it's not available yet)
     
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    Stop backpedalling via pedantry. This whole thread is about the new machine, designed to overcome the previous machine's flaws. That, and how it exists in a company frought with development issues and lacking in competent leadership.

    Obvious shitpost, but giving it the benefit of the doubt, if Apple deem the profitability of the professional market not good enough for shareholders, they should get out of the market all together.

    Apple's profitability isn't the question here. It's whether or not they should bother this half-arsed attempt at courting the professional market, or whether they should sack up and just admit the consumer market is their bread and butter. Nothing wrong with the latter. They just need to be honest with their customers and cut out the bullshit.

    Speaking as someone who constantly has to remind Apple-loving professionals that they're blowing enormous volumes of cash on substandard consumer products not fit for large scale requirements, it would be really nice for Apple to finally cut the umbilical cord, and let these poor, deluded souls move on to other vendors.

    Apple will continue to make billions/trillions from the consumer market. That much is never in question. What is in question are three little letters: P-R-O.
     
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    jesus christ didn't think i needed to dumb things down this far, but here we are

    the post is in relation to the article you posted up

    the article points to the current status of apple

    these machines run a closed OS that only supports set hardware (it's not even a hardware specific thing, if you want to run your RTX cards in a Mac Pro, you can still do so using windows)

    the post fluid is refering to has nothing to do with the machine that this thread is about purely because it hasn't been released yet and isn't available yet, hence no work to open up the ecosystem, hence as it lies, trying to compare an open source operating system to a closed source operating system coded for specific hardware is dumb

    hence my original comment on that portion of the article

    and if you're going to do your whole "stop posting off topic" routine again, save it. every other comment you've made can just be suffix'd with "no shit sherlock", we've already been around and around the whole "pro doesn't mean pro" thing about 500 times by now

    they even have an iphone named the pro

    an iphone

    hows that for a joke
     
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    Immediately invalidated by the existence of thunderbolt-connected PCIE devices.

    https://www.sonnettech.com/

    Apple devices on the market right now are not locked boxes with zero connectable ports. Apple blatantly advertise their high speed IO as a selling feature (the iMac Pro page states "Serious I/O. For serious work"). Thunderbolt is a combined engineering effort between Apple and Intel to expose the PCI-Express bus to a small, removable connector.

    Apple allow third party PCIE/Thunderbolt drivers for an enormous array of third party addon devices. Nvidia GPU drivers are blacklisted. Any attempt to reason out a single vendor at this point is bordering on apologist behaviour, not rational discussion.

    Indeed, here we are.
     
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    so if that's the case why don't nvidia create drivers? they released all of the previous drivers via their web downloader thingo. the requirements for metal are available and theres nothing stopping you from installing software from 3rd parties so....
     
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    As Elvis stated, any Thunderbolt equipped Mac can run an external GPU, a feature that up until Mojave used to support Nvidia hardware fully.
     
  9. Hater

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    and?

    write drivers for it as it's apparently an open system

    is metal support something that's coded in via firmware or is there a hardware level design required? back in the ye olde days you used to have to swap the 64kb EEPROM out on cards for a 128KB one then flash mac firmware onto it (back in the 9800/FX days) in order for the cards to work in powermacs
     
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    It's not an open operating system.
     
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    so what's your point then? RTX cards work fine, just not under MacOS.
     
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    The point is that Apple have blocked Nvidia.
    GPUs run well below APIs like metal at a system level, so can you at least do a bit of research before you take the high and mighty Apple apologist tone while being wrong.
     
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    how have they blocked nvidia?

    that's a legitimate question

    apple apologist heh. you think i'm glad to have spent 5 figures+ on a buggy underperforming platform? i'm not an apple apologist, but i'm at the point now where anti-apple fanboys need to be told to STFU harder than apple fanboys do
     
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    Some history here:
    https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...in-macos-and-thats-a-bad-sign-for-the-mac-pro

    Key part:

    With Mojave, this goes further again, as there's now a concerted effort by Apple to control who can and can't write kexts, which means the block goes from "soft" to "hard". <penisjokegoeshere>

    Recent reports leaking from within Apple show a huge disconnect between various engineering/programming teams, as well as with management. It seems like a few people within the org really want Mac to be a closed platform, while others don't. Sadly the efforts from the progress-deniers appear to be winning over the efforts from the progress-enablers (which is the eventual and inevitable end point of every large corporate and/or government, as shown constantly throughout history).
     
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    You know how controlling Apple are of their ecosystem, cutting out a company making something as complex as GPUs and their drivers is pretty straightforward.

    And I guess it depends on your point of view of what qualifies as anti-Apple, and I mean, Apple fanbois advocate for people to spend thousands more for often inferior performance, if someone did the same thing for a different PC company, (or just for Elvis, cars), they'd be rightly scorned too.

    Most of us have Apple devices, so by definition we can't be anti-Apple.
     
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    I’m running errands and will reply later, but what’s the go with Apple requiring drivers to be signed? Officially maybe but we run homebrew drivers to get Majove on heaps of things, can’t see Apple approving Z series workstation chipset drivers
     
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    Nvidia aren't making the web drivers for you to sign. Why would they when Appe have blocked them? As well as stalled development of OGL on their platform and compleately shunned Vulken as as API.

    Essentially, Apple have lost the plot and would prefer everyone run iPad OS and their own ARM based procesors.

    *All replies on a Samsung Tab S5e running Samsung DeX with the Samsung keyboard folio. ;)
     
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    Apple's product designs are ahead of the curve, which means the unfortunate usability compromises end up being too.
    (Un)fortunately Apple bear the brunt of the criticism for the introduction and every subsequent vendor that ends up doing the same thing as their design evolves skirts by the issue. (eg. MS Surface Pro)

    I don't think it's as black and white as "Apple are blocking Nvidia's driver development". It would be a pretty safe assumption that Apple are requiring Nvidia to support Metal 2 given they've built a ton of OS function off the back of it and Nvidia don't want to commit to the support. Nvidia are throwing their weight around given the value of CUDA but if Apple are to be believed they might be losing at this point.

    Apple's direction with Nvidia and why is pretty clear - https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...the-pedal-to-metal-in-apples-race-with-nvidia


    Are you quoting a single anonymous forum post by disgruntled ex staff as evidence of the failing of the most valuable company in the world? I see you apply the same formidable degree of journalistic integrity to this as you do your more general misguided opinions about Apple. At least you're consistent.
     
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    Oh lawdy.

    Google "Apple Nvidia history" if you like. Narrow it to the last year in your search preferences to avoid their previous spat. Or, you know, keep posting about how my opinion of a foreign corporate's products offends you. Whichever makes you happier.
     
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    https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...in-macos-and-thats-a-bad-sign-for-the-mac-pro

    Nvidia and Apple do not have a great relationship, it's that simple. Unlucky if you're an Apple user.
     

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