Discussion in 'Video Cards & Monitors' started by Sphinx2000, Sep 1, 2020.
Good stuff! 3080 or 90?
hahaha I get it man, at least you have an eta for the FTW3! its only a few days away and the wait will be ever so worth it! when did you order the card?/order #?
$999 USD doesn't make sense. That's Turing prices, stupid to go back to that now and exactly the wrong move for NVidia who now need to prove their value against RX6000.
I will concede that perhaps the 6900XT being $999 gives NVidia some scope to push to $849, or even $899, but my money is on $799 to be a genuine alternative for undecided consumers considering either the 6800XT ($649) AND 6900XT ($999).
1) The 3080 went back to 1080 prices, not 2080 prices (see chart below).
2) The 6900XT is matching 3090 performance, whereas a 3080Ti will not. NVidia would get justifiably hammered if they released a card that benched lower than a 6900XT for the same price. They HAVE to undercut the 6900XT.
3) They won't put 16GB of ram on the 3080Ti (*) because it's GDDR6X and too expensive, so again, they can't price it the same as a 6900XT with 16GB of (GDDR6) ram, because consumers don't seem to care about the difference.
I made this table a few weeks ago, so I now think my point 5 above is misguided. 20Gb of GDDR6X is too expensive to bring in a $799, and largely pointless.
(*) I guess they could put >12GB of GDDR6X on the 3080Ti and charge $899.... but I don't believe the messaging around why GDDR6X is better has been properly communicated - so this will not go over well with consumers.
If your going to water cool a 3090 you owe it to yourself to get a card that is 3 8 pins or be willing to shunt mod the 2 8 pin card.
They hunger for power and 3 8 pins will left them stretch their legs and make it worth the water cooling, otherwise you may as well leave the air cooler on it
3080, I ain't got cash to burn on a 3090
just noticed a couple of gigabyte 3070 models in stock at PCCG now,
Just a 3080!?? You wash your mouth out, it's still a top end card and plenty expensive ; )
Ok belly aching into the void seems to have paid off.
3080 XC3 Ultra order 8703xx has been dispatched.
Too bad its going to a friend and my 3080 ftw3 ultra is 6000 orders behind hahahahahahahaha .... sigh.
But hey at least things are moving everyone. Was starting to think cards were only in 1 at a time haha.
NV have never been the one to offer the 'value' card in the high end brackets. They want to maximise margins at this high end. Their shareholders will slaughter them if they start offering value cards just to be the nice guy here.
Agree with your table and the work put into it..... its good! But NV will be only worrying about the now - how to maximise market share and therefore profits, and worrying about the competition they have to price against. $999 6900XT gives them a large window to price a 3080Ti into.... all the way from $699 to $999. They know at $999 people will still buy it a 3080Ti. nVidia would be mad to price at $799 and leave $200 on the table.
The past gives some good context but is largely irrelevant for todays 3000 vs 6000 pricing structures. The competition has changed and nVidia will do whatever they think is best here and now to battle against their new competition. IMO they're not here to massively undercut any cards and create a price war, at least not while these cards are brand new and sparse supply.
But they have achieved this already with the 3090. Early adopters have all rushed and depleted everything they can produce. The whales have all been harpooned.
Now NVidia needs a sustainable product structure for the rest of the market, to ensure they retain both market and mind share.
I 10000000% disagee.
NVidia have admitted that they overpriced Turing and the entire generation did not do as well as they hoped. Much smarter to give-up 20% on MSRP but move >20% more volume over a products life. Not to mention a $799 3080Ti will eat the 6900XTs lunch, and probably drag a few potential 6800XT buyers away.
EDIT: If you need any more proof - 3080 is $699. That could well have launched at $899.
Turing was overpriced as they had no competition and could charge what they thought they could get away with, this time around they knew what was coming so they rushed to get to market asap regardless of having sufficient stock or not,
Ordered on launch night, FTW3 Ultra, order number 8707xx
Just checked then, ANOTHER ETA change, now 6/11 (today)
I've got no idea any more lol
ASUS GeForce RTX3070 Dual OC 8GB GDDR6
in stock PLE W.A. just in case anyone cares
edit: despite all these ftw3 ultra shipping out, my queue block remains unchanged. march 2021 it is i guess.
Happy to see all the orders going out for the FTW3 ultra's but there doesn't seem to be any love for the FTW3 non ultra models!
After the PCCG update I cancelled then I picked up a 3090 from Umart earlier this week. Welp its done now. Nice to see games running great at 4K, well except Watch Dogs
Hey Strix I did a quick and dirty recreation of (my version of) your picture! lol
Click to view full size!
I didn't want to be without anything good when I got around to sending my 3090 in for repair/shroud replacement so 2 days ago I bought a 3080 TUF OC and it just arrived.
Did you take yours in to the ASUS Service Centre in Silverwater?
if AMD have cards (as we all know nvidia dont) and the specs are as good as what they are saying (waiting for 3rd party reviews to confirm) why would anyone pay more for a card that produces less than its CHEAPER main competitor and you have to wait? If they dont "price to suit" then they will lose more people to the competition.
Wait what? who'd you order through?
I agree. Just confirm we both agree that none of that has any bearing on the theory that Turing prices were an anomaly and unlikely to be repeated this generation?
Just got an ETA of 30/11/2020 for my 3080 FTW3 Ultra @ PLE order # SO-8714xx