Path to web design proficiency

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  1. GumbyNoTalent

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    Or you haven't done any testing, user acceptance, installation or training!

    So we move from what platform to learn to what makes a good lead developer/software architect/project manager/business analyst.... *sigh*

    The number 1 thing that will make you a good "all of the above" is communication skills, most IT professionals have bad communication skill, me included. Being able to understand what people are saying and wanting is the first major skill, then being able to explain your solution back to them is the second. This can only happen if you have understanding and empathy for person/persons for whom you are providing the solution for, which means you have to understand them and their business, this usually takes experience, USUALLY! All the rest of the techno mumbo jumbo is irrelevant, as 90% of problems can be solved by 90% of the languages and frameworks available on the market.

    If you wish to progress to the top, skill in language xxx is not required, understanding yes, skill no. People skills and management are more important, once you progress past a point depending on the organization, the only skill you'll require is diplomacy. yes I'm jaded... ;)

    $175k for a graduate, unless you where going to Iraq, or been involved in some specialist research on the cutting edge, I would say "poppy cock"! The most any company I have worked for, and I have worked for 10 of the ASX 200, was 60K for a graduate fresh out of college, and up from there depending on the field of business they where involved with. In fact the most I've ever earned in a job, not a contract, is 125K + car + expenses(10k) + 5% additional super = 150Kish as a project manager in Sydney.

    Here in Brisbane, which is down on the pay-o-meter scale, compared to Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and any mining related part of Australia, graduates can expect 40-60K in their first year, this is the average not the exception. In fact the average coder job pays <75K, and contacting rates aren't much better. Also the market here in Bris Vegas, the top dollars are for JAVA not .NET, and PHP is a distant poor cousin, these are the offerings I see for advertised jobs and contracts.
     
  2. GumbyNoTalent

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    Must work wonders with the ladies, "hey there... you know I used to work in the porn industry, want to come back to my place and see my credentials..." :lol:
     
  3. Elyzion

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    I didn't wanna put it on my CV because i was scared someone would look at it and not hire me based on his/her morals regardless of weather or not i could do the job.

    When asking for advice on my CV i was told to put it on. Needless to say, EVERY interview i went to, all asked questions. Except the place i accepted the job offer at. Even tho he later told me why he looked at my CV and got me in for an interview.

    All the girls here think its funny, no one has any issues with it at all, the first few weeks i had a lot of guys ask me all sorts of questions.
     
  4. Flanamacca

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    Haha fantastic response. I finished highschool when i was 16 as i was pushed forward a grade. I started working 2 weeks after i completed my hsc through a sponsor of the high school progrmaming competitions I had been entering.

    I do class at night yes. Im doubting whether or not YOU attended any formal education - considering a lot of universities offer courses at night as opposed to having their lectures splattered 1 hour over 3 seperate days. Its a nice way to do them - a 3 hour blob at a time per subject a week. A much more pleasurable way to complete my computer science degree. But i guess you were much too focused to know that universities offered subjects at night as well as during the day.

    Hmm teams don't necessarily comprise just of programmers. Of course you knew that though. You have copywriters, testers, programmers, marketing analysts... wow i didnt know all these people would comprise a team for a project!

    Good attempt though.
     
  5. Soarer GT

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    If you're making so much money and you're so "pro" why is your main rig :

    "My Baby: AMD64 3500+, Abit AV8 with 3RD EYE, 2x200GB Seagate 8mb cache Sata bunkers, Radeon 9600 Pro, 1gb Geil ramzor, Pioneer 108D 16x DVD Burnzor"

    ?
     
  6. Rezin

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    Two possibilities (that come to mind)... he hasn't changed his sig for x years, or he doesn't play (the latest) games.
     
  7. Elyzion

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    I don't play the latest games on pc?
     
  8. hyperstyle

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    To be honest it's a sign of a good programmer if they don't play (many) games. Good programmers get their highs from thinking up new programming paradigms and ways to approach a certain problems. That being said i have the latest machine and play the occasional game for an hour or 2 every month or so.
     
  9. Bradzac

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    ok, now this thread is just getting ridiculous ;)

    Hasn't someone started a new thread mentioning .NET yet that we have this discussion over again in?
     
  10. hyperstyle

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    I like beer, good programmers drink beer.
     
  11. Elyzion

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    I do my best coding when drunk. But sometimes i lose track of what i was mean to be writing...
     
  12. Soarer GT

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    Yeah, but good programmers get annoyed when their PC cant keep up with them.

    1 gig ram aint gonna keep up with anyone... hell.. 2 gig ram isnt enough these days. *shakes fist at adobe*
     
  13. Elyzion

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    Real programmers use MS Paint.
     
  14. Bradzac

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    Real programmers use a mac.
     
  15. GumbyNoTalent

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    Umm GOOD programmers use less memory to accomplish more.
     
  16. Elyzion

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    Hence why they use MS Paint, cos Photoshop needs like 3928549315923895 ram to run at any sort of normal speed.
     
  17. Flanamacca

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    I love personal attacks. Clearly the PC listed in someones signature is a window into their current earnings. Such is it written in OCAU.

    Anyways this thread is dead so im off to enjoy some guitar hero.
     
  18. hyperstyle

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    What kind of programmer uses ms paint! Programmers draw their diagrams in their favourite drawing api.
     
  19. Elyzion

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    I'm not talking about Diagrams...

    I'm talking about when a Programmer has to modify graphics when no designer is around.
     
  20. hyperstyle

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    bla bla bla. I think we all know we're talking shit. No need to get serious.

    If you're a professional (i assume you are) you'd have to be mentally ill to use ms paint. Photoshop user here.
     

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