Pay MS $10mil - Recieve XP support for 1 year

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by PabloEscobar, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    12,695
    Good deal?

    The UK public service seems to think so.

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/xp-please-uk-gov-pays-9m-extend-support-plan/#!CZSk1

    Figures in that article point to ~650K computers still running XP in the UK public service. So ~$15/machine to receive updates is pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to a fleet wide upgrade even if the replacement OS is $0.

    It will be interesting to see if 3rd parties jump on the bandwagon and start releasing these updates for general consumption. It will be even more interesting if this becomes an acceptable method of updates, and lets people keep XP around even longer.
     
  2. power

    power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2002
    Messages:
    56,645
    Location:
    brisbane
    more proof that govt don't spend when they should.
     
  3. OP
    OP
    PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    12,695
    When were were looking at the extended support option, they wanted 2 things.

    A Fuckton of money (thats an Imperial Fuckton... not a metric one).
    A well written plan of attack to move away from the soon to be unsupported OS

    I think we may start to see similar articles a year from now, with a few extra Zeroes on the cost.
     
  4. tin

    tin Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    6,410
    Location:
    Narrabri NSW
    An article I read the other day mentioned a business with an annual turnover of around $1m, using a $7m CNC machine that needs XP to run it.

    I also know of a company near where I am that keeps their 486 machines running because they would rather pay a few hundred dollars for museum age parts than a million for a new whatever-it-does machine.

    Edit: Ummm, point of my post is there's many reasons to spend money keeping old systems alive, and most of those reasons are where it costs more to replace them than save them. The world is full of examples - but some IT people never see them.
     
  5. Iceman

    Iceman Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    6,647
    Location:
    Brisbane (nth), Australia
    People are acting as if every XP machine is going to drop dead when they stop "supporting" it. Things like CNC and MRI machines really shouldn't be a concern. Firewall the shit out of them and let them run as isolated as possible.

    It's more the large corp business fleet who are REALLY behind on their SOE's that should be crapping themselves.
     
  6. trackhappy

    trackhappy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2,357
    Location:
    Caboolture, QLD, 4510
    There are a couple of board manufacturers that still churn out motherboards with ISA slots etc exactly for this purpose - to enable new hardware to be used with old and expensive machinery. I forget who these makers are but they are out there.

    EDIT: Here's a company that's still selling new PCs with ISA slots and P4's. Most definitely old stock though, as Intel discontinued P4's 6 years ago. Whether or not they still make them for specific purposes, though...
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2014
  7. OP
    OP
    PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    12,695
    Just firewall the shit out of them and let them run as isolated as possible.

    I think its more the small business fleet who still have unsecured SBS 2003 boxes open to the world who are more likely to get owned as soon as the next round of windows updates is reverse engineered to discover what they have patched on Win7 that they aren't patching on XP.

    For the most part, its not the interface that's the issue, its the support. I've maintained old PLC's are only supported if you program them using some ancient POS that will only run on Win98 or older. The risks of both options were run up the chain, Support for the PLC's was deemed more important than using a recent operating system, the decision was made, and we worked out a reliable way of supporting it for the forseeable future.
     
  8. NSanity

    NSanity Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2002
    Messages:
    17,412
    Location:
    Canberra
    1. This is my fear.
    2. They don't need to reverse engineer shit. They will be sitting on exploits not used, waiting for this day. The period to the May Patch Tuesday is going to be Rough imo.
     
  9. Iceman

    Iceman Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    6,647
    Location:
    Brisbane (nth), Australia
    Not going to work so well for people who use email and internet on their workstations.
     
  10. cbb1935

    cbb1935 Guest

    A lot of the medical industry and its diagnostics still rely on XP.

    Likewise Vet based diagnostics (Xray/CT/SPECT/MRI/Ultrasound) still rely on XP.
     
  11. mtma

    mtma Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2009
    Messages:
    4,699
    Some of those machines should have been running XP embedded anyway. Still to face doom, but not yet.
     
  12. OP
    OP
    PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    12,695
    Edge filtering is pretty good for the most part :).
     
  13. bcann

    bcann Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2006
    Messages:
    5,362
    Location:
    NSW
    for most of these legacy systems, I see no reason whatsoever that they even need to be connected to any kind of internet gateway, which would negate them for the most part even getting to the point of being attackable. yeah ok they might get some virus, but what is it going to do? Most viruses nowadays are only interested in stealing your keystrokes/passwords and spamming the fuck outta everybody.

    Apart from legacy hardware on legacy sockets(ISA), just virtualize it onto new hardware, with keep the legacy OS, still with no internet access.
     
  14. g00nster

    g00nster Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2004
    Messages:
    341
    Location:
    Melbourne
  15. trackhappy

    trackhappy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2,357
    Location:
    Caboolture, QLD, 4510
    Make XP open source. That'll stir the pot. :lol:
     
  16. EvilGenius

    EvilGenius Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    10,121
    Location:
    Rocky
    Probably too much codebase alive and kicking in current flavours of windows for this to happen any time soon..
     
  17. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    34,997
    Location:
    Brisbane
    I've seen places that do this get brought down by the night crew who plug random infected USB thumbdrives to copy their porn around.
     
  18. power

    power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2002
    Messages:
    56,645
    Location:
    brisbane
    I doubt that Microsoft would open source Windows NT, they aren't finished with it.
     
  19. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    34,997
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Microsoft couldn't make XP open source.

    And I don't mean "they don't want to". Windows has so much licensed/proprietary code in it from other people/companies that the licensing would be a fucking nightmare.

    You'd spend a billion dollars on lawyers just to find out if you could open source it at all (regardless of your intended open source license).
     
  20. OP
    OP
    PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    12,695
    XP supports SRP, if I was still supporting them in a real world scenario, I'd just whitelist the control program and be done with it.
     

Share This Page