Perpetual Linux Distro Thread

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  1. Statitica

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    To be honest, it seems we are using the term "beauty" in too many ways, simultaneously.

    When I talk about beauty, I am using the primary definition, which is one of aesthetics. I would suggest that a large portion of Linux users rely on the GUI front end more than on the CLI, so to have a bleak/utilitarian GUI is not something which works in a distro's favour.
     
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    I would suggest that you are wrong.
     
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    Ok.

    Here's my reasoning:
    https://www.linuxcounter.net/statistics/distributions shows Ubuntu to be the most used version of Linux on the planet. Ubuntu's tagline is "Linux for humans". Sure, that is just correlation, but it is a start point.

    Move from there to someone like our very own elvis, who manages a fleet of Linux systems, for use by people in the Pro3D industry. I'm willing to wager that the average end user at elvis' place of employment does remarkably little with CLI.

    Then there is libreOffice. Not a distro, by any stretch, but that it can boast usage in large corporations and government organisations, shows that people are looking to open source as a valid option for "every day computing".

    And then there are the "mum and pops" users, whose sons (likely) installed a manage a Linux OS on their home computer, because they couldn't afford windows for all of their cat video viewing needs.

    SteamOS is going to bring even more users in, who are likely to shy away from CLI.

    I'm not suggesting that these users are a majority (or even close to it). I'm suggesting that these users make a large group, and that the percentage is actually likely to grow.

    If you have evidence or reasoning to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing it.
     
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  4. flu!d

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    Terminal is about as necessary under a modern Linux distro as it is under macOS.

    The thing is a great many Linux users prefer the terminal to a GUI considering a great many scenarios - Unlike some operating systems, under Linux you have to option to use the most suitable tool for the job.
     
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    But I like being able to output syslogs automagically to JSON.... (ducks)

    I jest, I jest - though it is pretty cool to be able to journalctl -o json and --since XYZ etc.without having to pipe through sed/awk black magic or remember regex. But definitely not at the expense of crap like binary logs and one process to rule them all, that's the path to svchost.exe Windows hell
     
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    *DISCLAIMER* Its Saturday morning and I'm still working on a 5 min job...

    Everything you perceive to be beautiful in a desktop interface is learned, you will be biased toward the familiar, your perception has been distorted.

    I still like Unixporn, but I do not believe the current interfaces we use are the best way of doing stuff, but Joe/Josephine are creatures of habit thus we have not progressed too far with the UI. I do not like interfaces that require me to remove my hands from the keyboard to the mouse, this is wasted movement from the task of typing in commands, thus I prefer CLI based interfaces.

    I'm absolutely in love with the voice command tech from my Google Home for watching media on my TV, no remote control needed. I do unplug that creepy listening device when I'm not watching media.

    POINT - Linux desktop has always been a compromise of what someone else thinks is the best fit, what you use as a distro. But the real power for Linux is that you do not have to settle for someone else viewpoint, you can make it what you want it to be, don't be limited by your familiarity of learned experiences make it what best suits your needs. My needs are to keep my hands on the keyboard so I can continue to pump commands into the computer so it does as it is told, them make those commands repeatable and automated so I don't have to type them again. That is my main interaction.

    Consider this, Ubuntu has more Server/VM/Docker installs then Desktop. Ubuntu server has no GUI.
     
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    I don't know why but systemd is worrying me more than usual, even though it doesn't really effect me on my desktop machine.

    Might actually get off my arse and install freebsd, zfs would be a welcome bonus
     
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    Plenty of systemd-free distros if you still wanna stay in Linux land. I use void with runit and it is most excellent.
     
  9. wintermute000

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    yeah but as a part time dabbler + I work in enterprise so if I learn anything its going to be red hat or ubuntu. Plus the zillion and one things on the internet you can google up on those 2 vs much less resources for obscure distro.

    I'm still kinda amazed it took over, esp. Debian which also triggered the Ubuntu domino. Though I don't have enough popcorn on hand (or linux-fu for that matter) to trawl through the old mailing list debate archives. I'm sure someone like Elvis or Gumby would find it hilarious.
     
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    That's the whole point, you can pick your logging daemon, your cron daemon, your ntp daemon, your network manager or lack thereof (I have three lines in /etc/rc.local for this). Everything is much simpler, systemd isn't polluting syslog, my process tree usually has 5 or 6 PIDs and that's it.
     
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    Nice to see they're defaulting to gcc 7.2, maybe if a few more distros stop sticking with gcc4 it'll light a fire under the arse of the few remaining major projects that dont compile properly on gcc>5. Yes inkscape, gparted and ROOT, I'm looking at you. It starts becoming a major issue when all your system libraries are c++14

    EDIT - And lets not get started on projects that dont support python3 yet...
     
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    whats the 'canonical' way of making iptables rules persistent across reboots AND keep easy-mode docker + fail2ban automagic rule installations?

    The best I can come up with is: iptables-save, manually throw out anything auto-created, then a manual script to iptables-restore (rc.local?)

    side note: this kind of crap is why I love and hate linux at the same time
     
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    My thought exactly, but at the same time, if it makes it more accessible to humans...
     
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    I'd rather just install Noto fonts, it's good.
     
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    Consider the sorts of folks who use Linux, consider what they want from an OS, consider the things they want from a change log, then consider whether or not "emojis" should be the FIRST thing listed in a changelog.

    But perhaps I'm wrong, and perhaps emojis are exactly what Linux needs to attract more "regular folk". I genuinely don't know (more to the point, I genuinely don't care, as I tend to tell people who want "emojis" to buy on iOS device and stop bugging me).
     
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    Oh, yeah, I completely agree with that sentiment.
     

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