Perpetual Linux Distro Thread

Discussion in 'Other Operating Systems' started by Geo, Mar 30, 2002.

  1. gdjacobs

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    It's not really a function of Redhat being bought out. You and I looked at the relationship between RHEL and CentOS as mutually beneficial, but the case could be made that a small fraction of CentOS installs would otherwise be RHEL licensees. That outlook may now hold sway in the corner office.

    Indeed, although I wasn't aware of the breadth of their knowledge. Lots of other vendors layer their special sauce on top and don't need to tangle with the underlying distribution infrastructure. Rocks strikes me as being in this camp.

    The speed with which Almalinux was deployed is a promising indicator of the rapidity with which Cloudlinux (eventually Almalinux' independent infrastructure) will roll out fixes and releases matching the latest from upstream. I'm guessing compatibility is strong, but I'm still interested in hearing from people who've used it in the field. Ideally, both Rocky and Almalinux will be contenders and the world will have two quality horses in the stable.
     
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  2. cvidler

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    yeah some people/orgs would always use the free option and self-support. but like Apple and Microsoft do, get your user base (in schools) used to the product for free/heavily discounted, and they'll (or many/most of them) become your future purchasers. like a drug dealer your first hit is free - it's an age old sales technique.

    Red Hat also gets bulk free beta testing from everyone using Fedora. is IBM gonna target Fedora next?

    Just because it's free doesn't mean there's no value in it.

    you're right though, someone in a corner office in IBM land, thought, hey we can make more licensing $ if we gimp the free product and force everyone onto RHEL, short sighted thinking. IBM's a strange place, full of high end thinkers at the forefront of some technical areas, and then there's management that fuck things up in search of quick buck.
     
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    That's what I'm saying. It may have come from IBM, but it could just as easily have been someone brought in laterally from elsewhere or someone internal to Redhat. IBM has more than their share of greedy corporate types, but they don't have a monopoly.
     
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    I doubt the same would've ever happened if Red Hat remained a separate entity - they fully understand the FOSS community/ethos, contributing back code/fixes etc. even releasing open versions of the various secret sauce they do develop for RHEL. They understood the value in having a wide community of users that may not have made them any money directly, but when those developers moved their code into prod, that prod server was running RHEL - because the business demands support (when in reality we know, 99% of the time there's no support ticket ever needed, because of the self support, community support around linux distros).

    Red Hat managed to successfully commercialise FOSS while not screwing everyone over.
     
  5. GumbyNoTalent

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
    Someone just reminded me during a discussion on Coffeescript v Typescript v Babel and Conjure, this was their viewpoint of Typescript. Reminds me of Github issues surfacing and the future for Linux withs its new best bud.
     
  6. GumbyNoTalent

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    CentOS replacement
    https://almalinux.org/
    AlmaLinux OS is an open-source, community-driven Linux operating system that fills the gap left by the discontinuation of the CentOS Linux stable release. AlmaLinux OS is a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHELĀ® guided and built by the community.


    As a standalone, completely free OS, AlmaLinux OS enjoys $1M in annual sponsorship from CloudLinux Inc and support from other sponsors. Ongoing development efforts are governed by the members of the community.


    The AlmaLinux OS Foundation is a 501(c)(6) non-profit created for the benefit of the AlmaLinux OS community.


    Commercial Support
    https://tuxcare.com/linux-support-services/almalinux-support/

    Migration Guide
    https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-migrate-centos-8-to-almalinux-8-3/
     
  7. wintermute000

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    I am not a sysadmin but my ZFS home box has been fine on Ubuntu LTS for years.
     
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    https://swaywm.org/
    Sway is a tiling Wayland compositor and a drop-in replacement for the i3 window manager for X11. It works with your existing i3 configuration and supports most of i3's features, plus a few extras.

    Switching to sway / wayland over the weekend on primary laptop.
     
  10. Quadbox

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    I've ended up having to ditch it and move back to X11 and awesome, because Zoom's fucked, and wont screen-share other applications on sway. Couldnt for the life of me get it to work. Literally the only thing I couldnt work out a workaround for, but it's unfortunately mission critical. There's some workarounds that apparently make it work on Gnome on wayland, but not on sway.

    One workaround I did finally find was to fix a blank grey window for various closed source Java applications like Matlab: set _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 before launching
     
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    Thx. Zoom and Teams can eat a dick, non-video communication worked prior to COVID-19 lets keep using those. ;)
     
  12. Quadbox

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    Not so much in the education space unfortunately
     
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    pfft.

    I learnt from writings on dead trees. no video, no sound, no colour.
     
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    biro.jpeg
    We had 4 colours, and sound because the teacher wasn't mute!
     
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    I never got a multi coloured pen. so jelly.
     
  16. Quadbox

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    Multi coloured pens were easy, just keep three or four inkwells open at the same time. Takes a bit of muscle memory to remember which to dip your nib in every few letters though :(
     
  17. gdjacobs

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    Pens? We mostly had a stick and a fire.
     
  18. Quadbox

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    But you tell that to the youth of today, and they wouldnt believe you!
     
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  19. GumbyNoTalent

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    You were lucky! Our dad would beat us to death than wake us up 30 minutes before we went to bed!
     
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  20. wintermute000

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    QFTW, what is with fucking zoomers' obsession with vidyas. Everything is vidya, great, lets listen to some nerd drone on for 30 minutes and then I can't even easily go back to find a reference - or, how about I speed read it in 10 minutes flat, and if I need to look shit up again I control F. Fucking idiot kids
     

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