Plant Based Diets

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  1. Perko

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    Why not? It's far more nutritious than any of the other "milks" that are just fortified with multivitamins to make them seem less shit than they are.
     
  2. RnR

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    Well my question then gets extended to all forms of 'milk'. Why do we drink it? Because we get used to it as kids. I don't think there is anything special about milk in its nutritional profile that makes it a required food for humans. I'm Western European, so I grew up on cornflakes + oats + milk. But once your diet go past such carbs the dependency for milk just goes away.
     
  3. Perko

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    That's true, but then why do we drink alcohol, smoke darts, and eat Maccas? It's not anywhere near the top of any list for the axe on that basis.
     
  4. koss

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    For one thing, I hate coffee without milk.
     
  5. Perko

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    And coffee is indeed life.
     
  6. RnR

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    pffft.... coffee without milk is life... :p
     
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    Best 6 word slogan, ever. Sums up all lifes problems as well as giving us an excuse. lol.

    Farmers markets for the win, if you cannot grow your own...Which reminds me to pull the finger out and get my mums garden sorted.
     
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  8. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    I have a Dutch father and a French mother. Dairy is life.

    Cream, cheese, yogurt, milk - mmmm delicious! I'll never give those up.
     
  9. peg

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    Yeah, they made it very clear that you're not supposed to drink this stuff.

    That's just some nonsense paleo theory. White people process carbs just as well as everyone else until proven otherwise.
     
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    As daft as it seems, there may be some truth to it, although requires expansion. I've heard and read of things where your physiology can change, over time, based on where you live, so while it might not be an overnight thing, if you were to perhaps live elsewhere for several years, you'd see and feel your body start to adjust to how it responds to sustenance input. I don't recall citations so cannot provide them, but I believe it's not entirely outlandish.
     
  11. lawrencep93

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    It is more from genetic theory,
    Higher carb genes:

    • AMY1A (amylase)
    • LCT, MCM6 (lactase)
    • FUT, SHBG (fiber, dietary, B12)
    • FLAD1 (biosynthesize omega 3 and 6 from polyunsaturated fatty acids)
    • BCML1 (polymorphisms)
    VS Higher fat/protein genes:
    • CPT1A – arctic mutation for fatty oxidation
    • FAD 1, FAD2
    • ADRB2 (saturated fats)
    • APOE2 (satiation)
    • FTO3 (body fat)
    • LPL
    • APOC3
    • PPAR Alpha (coastal adaptation)
    Wade Lightheart who is a vegetarian bodybuilder runs and podcast and such things was my source on this discussion not some Paleo theorist.
     
  12. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    There are folk doing good quality research into this stuff. Sadly the Internet is full of whackos who dilute the quality with nonsense. Regardless, there is good data out there that's challenging a lot of "established thinking", which itself isn't based on any particularly sturdy evidence either.

    Nutrition research remains one of the most poorly funded and poorly executed parts of health compared to other things. Looking at sample data, it's frequently not to good enough sample size, and control groups are difficult to lock down. But, with that said, there are some people who've made a good start, and their findings are pretty interesting to say the least. Hopefully they can get the funding to increase their testing to wider trials.

    It won't stop the usual Internet bickering of course. Dogmatics gonna dogma.

    OCAU was privileged to have one actual real expert on the matter for a while. Sadly he got the shits with the place and bailed some time back. I hear he's now somewhere in Scandinavia doing further research over there, continuing to prove most of the nonsense here wrong, sans peanut gallery.
     
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    Don't forget that in the area of nutrition you have all the food corps pushing funding to get a result, researchers with morals or ethics that impact the research and others trying to push a certain result/s to be funded moving forward.
     
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    Yeah I'm not in to the whole bio-hacking, bio-optimising thing, to be honest I don't even get enough sleep. :lol:

    Much of that stuff ends up being just marketing to sell fancy supplements that may or may not be snake oil, I'll save my money.

    I still don't get what you mean here.

    https://www.advantour.com/russia/cuisine/history/old-russian-cuisine.htm

    Seems like they stuffing their faces with carbs to me.
     
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    lactose intolerance is quite common i believe. not me luckily. i drink a lot of milk. always have. never weaned orfff of it. :)
    i get zymil for my mum.

    almond "milk" is another one i have from time to time -----not milk is it...it's more like juice....or extracts mixed with other crud.

    milk is the real deal. fully endorsed by me for me. i could care less about the rest.
     
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  16. RnR

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    Thats not what he is saying.
     
  17. Perko

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    I'm a dairy farmer, my wife is lactose intolerant and allergic to cow hair.

    Give her a try of the Liddel's UHT one. It doesn't have that overbearing taste of lactase according to my wife.
     
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    So we should adjust macros based on our skin complexion? :D

    I think you're referring to a neolithic diet, but you're ignoring the fact that Europe has been subsisting off of a high carb diet for well over 10,000 years which is plenty of time to adjust to new macros or new foods.
     
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    Source?
     

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