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Playstation 4 Pro - November 10 2016 - $AUD559 RRP

Discussion in 'Sony Consoles' started by power, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. Copie

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    Dunno what you define as decent when you have been able to pick up the 4 for well under 350 during one of the numerous sales on ebay etc
     
  2. elvis

    elvis OCAU's most famous and arrogant know-it-all

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    Because that's now how console gaming has ever worked, and is a slap in the face for anyone who paid money for the platform. If we wanted upgradable systems, we'd buy PCs instead.

    But (1) it's not a PC, and (2) it's not partially upgradable - I have to throw out an entire system and buy a new one to get the full speed game (again, something that's never been done in console gaming).

    Just because two companies share the same dumb idea, doesn't make the idea good.

    The constant hardware upgrade treadmill is exactly what turned me off PC gaming a LONG time ago. Once I got a real job and kids, I didn't have time to waste my life chasing upgrades and reading hardware reviews. The overwhelming benefit for folks like me is that a console works day 1 and day 600 in exactly the same way - buy game, play game. No fucking around with hardware upgrades and matching motherboards to video cards to RAM for optimum experience, no dicking around endlessly with settings to get the right ratio of image quality to frame rate. I don't have time for that shit.

    If you have time for that, that's great for you. Gaming for me is about getting away from work and stress, and just playing a damned game. I don't want to have to put in hours of effort before I even get the game loaded up and ready to play. Sure, I enjoyed that when I was 20 and I had all the time in the world. Today, I'm old and cranky and I just don't have time for that crap.

    (Also, get off my lawn).
     
  3. Sipheren

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    I get what you are saying, I understand why people have concerns, but, every 2 years a new phones comes out with much more performance, people ditch the old and buy a new.

    The console market is changing, it's now using basic parts that are essentially incidental in each system, the next step is to shorten the time between models to help keep up and not hold games back.

    So, having a mid upgrade that boosts performance makes sense, everything still runs on the previous system, it gives the platform a nice mid-life boost and helps keep up with gaming tech.

    The next step is systems that can be easily upgraded, modules that pop out for memory, gpu and cpu.


    It's either that or ditch the console platform and more to a streaming device from each brand that plugs into the TV.
     
  4. Sledge

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    I prefer to buy from bricks and mortar stores where i can take things back if there's an issue...
     
  5. nornicle

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    Auto buy for me if it plays UHD blu Ray...
     
  6. elvis

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    *People* also by new PC parts every few months too, and they're welcome to it.

    *I* don't buy new phones every 2 years. I push mine much further than that, because for me a phone is a device to make phone calls and check emails on the run. I don't need fancy features, so I don't waste my time and money on them.

    There's nothing wrong with anyone who wants to chase the bleeding edge all day. More power to them. I don't want to do that.

    Regardless, phones are a poor example. Phones are not consoles. Consoles are not PCs. These are three separate things. Lumping their concepts together leads to poor decision making.

    1) The PC market is there for people who constantly want to ride the upgrade train. I don't want to be a part of that market (again, there's no judgement on my part for people who want to do that. But I don't).

    2) Hardware isn't holding games back. It may hold visual quality back, but that's not the be all and end all of gaming fun. Hell, both my kids and I still get a tonne of enjoyment out of games from 30 or more years ago.

    Nope, it still doesn't make sense. What you're describing there is the "pros" list of PC gaming, but with that comes an equal and opposite "cons" list, which is precisely why I'm not a PC gamer.

    And all of this is arguing points to fix the "cons" of consoles, which I (and many millions of others) can deal with. Those who can't deal with them are welcome to be PC gamers. Vive la difference!

    No, that's a PC, not a console. Go use a PC if you want that. You can even use your console game pad and plug it into your TV if you really want to emulate the "gaming on your lounge" experience, but still get to upgrade your video card, RAM and CPU every year.

    False dichotomy. Keeping consoles as they are harms no-one right now. Changing them to a PC-like model removes a choice for people that don't want PC gaming.
     
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  7. cbb1935

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    Until Sony mention anything this is all "pie in the sky" stuff.

    I can't see them bothering to be honest, as the game range on PS4 isn't big enough to force another console refresh, as well as all new 4K games / releases.
     
  8. Brett

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    Remember the N64 expansion pack?
    I can't find one. Maybe Red Dead 2 when it arrives?
     
  9. Sipheren

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    I think the issue here is that you will find you are the minority, people want the 'new', they want better graphics in their games, higher frame-rates, etc.

    The manufactures know this, and they want to cater for it .If you are not wanting the better model, then just like with everything, you can keep the older one and play using the lesser graphic settings.

    Also, to me there is no difference between a console, phone or PC, the are all computers of different form factors, no point locking a platform into a specific set of parts for 10 years when you can allow for upgrades or have model upgrades every couple of years. As long as all the games play on the original system I can't see an issue.
     
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    Must haves for me so far Arkham Knight (PS4 is lead platform and best experience), Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 (when it finally arrives), loverly remasters of previous Uncharted games and TLOU.

    Not much else as I have a big arse 4K (real 4K none of that upscaling stuff) gaming PC. Maybe if I was a peasant I'd have bought some more stuff as it is though - this console is still lacking a deep library IMO.

    RD2 would be a must have too, number 1 was awesome.
     
  11. FoBZY

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    Wow people get worked up easily . Wait and see, my guess is a hdmi port upgrade and uhd disc support for movies
     
  12. elvis

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    [Citation needed]

    Once again, PCs are there for upgrade-aholics. There's nothing wrong with that. There's a whole industry just for those folks. All I want is simplicity in my gaming, and not having to mix and match components all the goddamn time. Way too much effort for something that's supposed to be fun and easy.
     
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  13. Brett

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    In the last 4 years I've replaced a single failed PSU, which was 6 years old at the time.
    Could I make it faster? Sure. Does it run everything I throw at it? Also sure.
     
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    Sony may consider 2x GPU power for PS4.5/PS4K, launch in Q1 2017


     
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    Might have something to do with this......

    Sony's 4k streaming service will launch in early April

     
  16. poleposition

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    Was there mention Microsoft was bringing out a 4k console variant?

    I am sure Sony wants to keep up with any advancement a competitor will put down. But after a while people stop barracking for the 2 running a race if they keep changing the rules.

    Normally Sony supports a console for 5 years after release. Pretty sure they are still releasing new ps3 games (yet not much vita stuff :()
     
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    I also wonder if the more powerful gpu would allow higher resolution for existing ps4 titles?

    Its interesting to note that Playstation VR is going to have increases in performance which makes me think the current console isn't powerful enough and the Playstation 4k will come out around the same time as its release?
     
  18. FIREWIRE1394

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    I don't get why people are complaining... buy the new one...

    The playstation cost a grand at launch..
    the playstation 2 cost a grand at launch.
    the playstation 3 cost a grand at launch.
    the playstation 4 cost... half a grand at launch ($549 as I recall)
    you're already $450 ahead... more when you sell the old one and get the new one. sorted.
     
  19. stitch512

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    Fixed for you :). Seriously if they just release a 4K bluray and streaming compatible version, that is totally fine as those who want to upgrade have the option. But to have a significantly upgraded console that could actually split the userbase mid gen is crazy, from any console maker.

    We are 2.5yrs in with at most 2.5-3yrs to go, games are looking and playing great on both MS and Sony consoles. Last gen was 8yrs, there is no reason why we couldn't last at least 5 with the consoles we were given.
     
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    Mine's only a "first gen" and it's under a year old, IF and only IF this updated version leaves the current console in the dust especially from a games point I'd feel a bit screwed over given that consoles traditionally have a long lifespan so people often will put off purchasing a console until it's established and proven in the marketplace.
     

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