[WORKLOG] Rocket Science: Creating fittings for Aussie copper pipe (8/8 Black plated out soon)

Discussion in 'Extreme and Water Cooling' started by Saate, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. oculi

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    should be heaps of options as it's just using standard water pipe, might look a bit domestic though.
     
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    Yeah me too, thats absolutely the best thing - especially when you can get the "woah! wow...how?" responses from people as a result :) I'll work with Hugh and see if we can come up with some designs on the stealth fittings, one thing I'd want to avoid though is having to provide a special 'tool' with every box of fittings to do the tightening - I think it's unnecessary and kinda wasteful. Will have a think about what kind of 'every day' tools people have laying around and base the mechanism off that instead.

    Thanks mate :) and thats definitely an interesting perspective. For me the whole point of doing hardlined builds is the shiny finished look. Since you can already marry a pipe and conventional tubing with clamps I assume you mean something a bit neater looking?

    Bulkhead fittings are also what I'd imagine they'd look like, this is how I did the copper -> tubing transition in my build:

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    The main problem as far as I see it is that rigid tubing (especially with push-fittings) works best when both ends are anchored properly. If you've got one end effectively 'free floating' where it connects to the tube then it'd be a bit too risky for my liking. With that said I have been working on sketches for a little multiplexing gadget to provide people with more options. Basically a small 40mm disc with 12 spots for fittings in/out. I'll post some renderings at some stage :)
     
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    Yep making it neater is exactly what I mean, I realise clamps are an option but not exactly pretty compared to the rest of it.

    I'm still tempted to go full copper, because of the awesome look, but I can see a loss of practicality when it comes to changing stuff in the build. For instance, with a CPU waterblock, you can redo the TIM or even switch out the CPU without draining and half stripping the loop. If the two runs that actually attach to the waterblock were soft tubing, you could simply ease the block off the mobo, redo the TIM, and stick it back on, without having to do anything with the loop. I'd prefer that functionality.

    On the other hand, long runs to rads and pumps etc, don't need to be visible or flexible, so I would love to have those in a solid, fixed and compact form behind the mobo.

    It doesn't fit with the aesthetic aims of your own builds, but from a practical point of view, it would suit mine very well to have basic copper plumbing for the long runs, hidden away from view and very solidly fitted to avoid unseen leaks, coming to bulkhead connectors with compression fittings for very short runs of soft tubing.

    A lot of the copper in the top pic you just posted would in my build be invisible, with short runs of soft tubing going straight to the rear as innocuously as possible, even though that would clearly make the copper runs longer in your build. Of course though, with the awesomeness of polished copper I can see you want to highlight rather than hide that in your build.

    It would only take a couple of specialised bulkhead fittings to make my preference fit what you already have? A couple of very compact right angled compression bulkhead fittings, exactly right for copper on the hidden side and exactly right for soft tubing on the other maybe? With the tubing end available in various sizes of course ;)

    Just some thoughts that's all. Your work is awesome, and I will definitely be buying some of your products. I'll MAKE them fit lol.
     
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    just as a suggestion to the "ultra sleek look"

    is there no reason you could have them polish smooth, but just in the box toss in a section of that "grip mat" stuff that you undo jar lids and stuff with. As fittings don't really need to be insanely tight (as thats what the o-ring is for) surely the average person could get it tight enough with that.
     
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    With regards to the "Special Tool"

    Could you not just use the copper/acrylic tube itself?

    I tend to do this anyway, even with the knurled fittings.

    Just get a 5-7cm piece of tubing and insert it in the fitting. Then use the tube to screw it in.

    Unless there's a lot of play in the fitting this will provide a very acceptably tight fit.

    I've never had any leaks using this method.
     
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    Amazing work, im just starting an Acrylic tube build, i think i just found my fittings!

    Quick question, can they come in any other color yet besides the silver plating? ..Im look at a matte Black, but i know you had problem with the initial run.
     
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    Actually as well as fittings, you know your way around a case...

    Picture if you will, a case with an inbuilt copper plumbing system. One thats actually designed with all the right stuff in it for a change.

    At various sections it would have stop/diversion junctions to allow sealing off or changing direction of flow. Masses of different entry points on a decent bulkhead to cover just about all placement and expansion possibilities. Doesn't matter if there are too many, always sucks when there are too few.

    You could seal or make use of any number of waterblocks and reroute the flow accordingly, by simply connecting your blocks to the bulkhead connectors using your chosen hose/pipe solution and turning the appropriate valves.

    Imagine adding some QDC into that mix too :) Easiest watercooling system to work on in the world...

    Make the bulkhead connectors G1/4 and then from that point the customer will have all the usual options open to them, including either continuing the copper with your products or going with barbs, compressions, tubing or rigid acrylic in whatever size they like.. and QDC if they want them.

    Of course a well designed fill/bleed/drain system would be incorporated, and perhaps even a properly mounted quality pump, with provision for a res or res-less design.

    Customer just buys a rad of his choice.... hmmm unless one is built into the case lol ... or a full copper case could even be a rad by itself with enough tube and plate ;)

    If you decide to seek crowd funding for this case, I'm in :)
     
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    Yeah on reflect I realised you wouldnt need a special tool at all, the knurling provides some grip but isnt essential to screwing it in tight so I think it'd be fine as is.

    I've got some spare unplated fittings at home so was thinking I might chuck one in a lathe and file the knurling off so we can see how it'd look. What do you guys think?

    Thanks Sox :) Definitely planning on at least silver/black but for this initial run it's been limited to silver because of the plating problems. Once I sort out an online retailer I'll start the next production run and make sure black finish is available, but not sure on timelines at this stage.

    This is awesome mate, exactly the kind of community-based approach to design that I want to be a part of! I'll copy+paste your suggestion to the facebook page (can find it via rocketscience.mx if you havent already) and will start a suggestions/discussion section for stuff like this on the website sometime in future.

    I've thought about cases and am definitely keen on doing that kinda thing in the future, but probably a lot of products between now and then. Cases are expensive and time consuming to manufacture, cost a lot to ship and take up lots of space so probably something I'd get into when we're in the swing of things well and truly :)
     
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    I'm game for some of that to visualise it.
     
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    Stretching my F5 finger...
     
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    PORN :thumbup:
     
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    Agreed with all above.

    Pics can't come fast enough. Show us your stuff mate! :lol:
     
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    No worries then, I'll see what I can do - might need to wait for the weekend or longer though unfortunately, I'm getting married on the 7th March so time is a bit consumed by that at the moment :)


    For some reason this took me back about 20 years to good old Sierra games - my favourites!
     
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    Protip: wedding dresses make the best polishing cloths...
     
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    How are you still alive? LOL
     
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    Yeah, he's crazy! Everyone knows you wait until AFTER the wedding to use the dress as a polishing cloth. That way, as long as my calculations are correct, there's no possible way she could get mad.
     
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    Well, I'm not married... :lol:
     
  18. Dingostolemyghz

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    I've heard divorce papers also make good polishing cloths.
     
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    Ahead of me having time to lathe the knurling off a fitting Hugh has rendered some for us to get an idea of how it might look:

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    That looks fantastic. Exactly what I was thinking. Considering they wont need to machine the Knurling into the fitting this should be cheaper to manufacture.
     

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