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Ryzen 4000 Series Discussion

Discussion in 'AMD x86 CPUs and chipsets' started by Skramit, Nov 7, 2019.

  1. Skramit

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    Feels like only yesterday the 3000 series launched, but AMD has confirmed 4000 is due for mobiles (Zen2) early next year and Desktops after that (Zen3).

    Early reports.... lol... anyway IPC is hopefully a good improvement over Zen2.

    Most importantly IMO:

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-4000-mobile-zen-3-desktop-2020/

    https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-4000-series-launching-early-2020-zen-3-on-track-ceo-confirms/
     
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  2. Nethiuz

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    Remain socket compatible. Music to my ears! They must make so much more money doing this. I just grab a new chip every gen. Currently rocking 3700x and will go for 4000x when it's out. Cheap, easy, done.
    Back when i was Intel i'd skip 3/4 gens having to move mainboard as well.
     
  3. mesaoz

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    IPC and frequency improvement on already strong lineup is always awesome. I can't imagine wanting to swap out my 3900x by that point though. We'll see I guess.
     
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    You know you need 16 cores.
     
  5. Phido

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    16 Cores and a 10% single thread boost (clock and IPC) will be quite nice. Particularly for the right price. IMO the 4000 series will need to be well priced, because by then Intel will be back in the game. People will already have Ryzen 2000 and 3000 CPU's.
     
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    will these work with x470?
     
  7. mesaoz

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    It's AM4 so it should work.
     
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    I'm still not convinced there'll be any meaningful/significant IPC increase from Zen 3. Seems to be more an opportunistic refresh around 7nm+ /EUV , But we'll see. Zen 4 will be more interesting.
     
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    oh sweet yeah apparently my k4 can run a 3950x
     
  10. Phido

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    I think they are talking around 8% IPC. However, the real question is that across the board or only in certain workloads.
    https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-to-deliver-8-ipc-200mhz-higher-clock-vs-zen-2-rumors-indicate/

    The obvious improvement in AVX 512. If they do that they may optimize the FPU. The other aspect is probably improving the cache performance and size.
    IMO its going to be pretty small. Not like with 3000 which really was quite a boost. Zen to Zen+ was in total a 10% improvement, so probably more like that.
    Probably not enough to make you want to ditch your existing Ryzen setup, but enough to make a new purchase more tempting over Intel (who will probably be treading water in IPC/clocks at that point).

    Also my Gigabyte B450 ITX board can run a 3950x as well. Sweet. I just wished it had two NVMe slots.

    I certainly hope that 4000 series are compatible with most b450/x470, because a lot of people bought those recently. B550 is still MIA and x570 boards are still thin on the ground and overtly expensive, and with requirements like mATX and mitx, there are very few options.
     
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  11. Multiplexer

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    Can someone explain to me what is 3000 and 4000, zen2, zen3, zen4 and how are these all related and CPU generation if any? I am new to AMD, good to see competition finally here
     
  12. mesaoz

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    1000 is zen 1
    2000 is zen 1+
    3000 is zen 2
    4000 is zen 3

    I don't believe they're doing the + naming iterations anymore but you can think of zen 3 as as zen 2+ basically
     
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  13. Multiplexer

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    So the AMD ryzen 9 3950x that will release this month is part of the family 3000 Zen 2?
     
  14. chook

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    Yes. The Zen labels are the names of the microarchitecture while the 1000, 2000, etc. are the names of the products.

    A good example of how they are not necessarily connected is that the 3000 series of APU's are still Zen 1+.
     
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  15. cryticzoo

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    hopefully 3700x will be cheaper after 4000 launch.
     
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    The first Ryzen 4000 chips will be mobile and probably Zen 2 based. The Zen 3 desktop chips are later next year.
     
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    I only bought into AM4 with Zen 2 because they more or less promised one more generation of compatibility. Good to see this being delivered on.
     
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    the 2700x dropped to phenomenal price points after the 3000 launch, It'll likely happen again.
     
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  19. 335 GT

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    I would love to know why they are doing this.

    AMD have a pretty good naming scheme and then they go and change apu's.
    It's hard enough for enthusiasts to keep up, I don't know how average Joe would have any idea what was in his/her PC.
     
  20. mesaoz

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    Because launching a product called "3000" alongside a product called "4000" in the same cycle would be strange to most buyers.
     

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