Ryzen 5000 Series Discussion

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  1. Phido

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    Well AMD has managed some general FPU improvements when supporting the AVX functions, where intel seems happy to keep it separate. Perhaps AMD increasing the 128 capacity which its AVX2 uses twice on 256. So beefing that up would see its AVX2 performance then match intel and its 128 bit FPU then would be significantly faster.

    It was rumored AVX512 won't be supported.https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ry...e-gains-in-ipc-and-floating-point-performance

    Perhaps AMD had decided to increase the general FPU performance rather than do AVX512. AVX512 is a bit a of mess really. Its not particularly elegant. No intel CPU currently supports all AVX512 instructions. Intel has of course segmented support for different CPU's.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if AMD comes up with its own set of extensions. Afterall, it now has significant market share, and is likely to gain more. AVX1 + 2 were nice well thought out ideas. AVX512 is dumpster fire stuff.
     
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    Intel > AMD

    Proof: Leaked Intel 2020 Roadmap
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    That 14nm is amazeballs....
     
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    it's got some long legs :)
     
  5. Phido

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    The main issue with Ryzen 4000 is its the end of the socket. Fine for an upgrade if you already have a AM4 platform, but for many jumping into the end of a platform isn't probably ideal. Ryzen 4000 will be quickly followed up by Ryzen 5000.

    But Ryzen 4000 is probably going to be heads and shoulders faster better than anything else out in that time frame. If 15% IPC on integer and 50% on FPU is right, this is going to be very attractive for people to upgrade too. A 12 core Ryzen 4000 is going to be quicker than a Ryzen 16 machine in all benchmarks. An 8 core 4700x will probably be faster than a 12 core 3900x in most FPU benchmarks, encoding, decoding, and in most lightly threaded software like games etc.

    If what is being said is right a 16 core Ryzen 4000 system will likely beat out a Threadripper 3960x in basically everything. In both outright performance in actual software benchmarks, performance per watt etc.

    I generally don't upgrade until I can get 100% increase on what I have.. 4790k to 3700x delivered on that for similar money and took nearly 5 years. 4900x is likely to deliver twice the performance of my 3700x and in what 12 months? Probably at the same or lower power draw than the 3700x.

    At the same time I can upgrade to 1TB NVME to 2TB PCIE4 SSD, 32GB to 64GB ram, 1060 to 2060s. Double the speed/capacity of all aspects of the system.
     
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    Pity it's a dead horse.
     
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    idk... it depends on what you are looking for. For a gaming boxen that will perform better than either of the next-gen consoles? For a gaming boxen that will be relevant for another 5 years using components that are tried and tested? Rather than fiddling with a new socket, new boards, new ram standard, maybe even new pcie?

    Plenty of folk buys boxens without thinking of upgrades. Look how many buys Intel systems :)
     
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    AM5 sockets will probably have a very long life, perhaps 10 years. Given there are fewer big die shrinks left..

    AM4 is still pretty viable. 3600 memory and PCI4 and supports up to 16 cores..

    I hope the Threadripper 5000 series is still compatible with the new TR socket.
     
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    16 core laptop anyone? Desktop CPU's, choose your poison :D

     
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    Has already been linked in the Ryzen 3000 thread - https://forums.overclockers.com.au/posts/18511374/ - which is the right spot since the 16 cores ain't Ryzen 4000 series ;)
     
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    Didn't see the other link, sorry. I shoulda thought since its a desktop chip it isn't 4000. Oh well.

    I'm hanging on the 4000, just bought myself an X570 and 5700XT, but I'll be using my 3600 until 4000 desktop chips drop in Sept. Looking forward to seeing how good they are, since I'll probably go top shelf when the time comes.
     
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    Probably not just in time, I think the Ryzen 4000 will be more like a sept launch. It appears they are ontrack at the moment, and there is quite a huge surge in IT currently with COVID, a lot of new home/office PC's, laptops, servers and data centres are significantly expanding as well. If AMD moves right they should get a lot of momentum on Ryzen 4000.

    You really want the motherboards to be plentiful supply by the CPU launch. Its problematic launching both at the exact same time. The B550 should have really been avalible with the Ryzen 3000 series.

    Im after a ITX board so b550 is ideal. I don't need more than one PCI-E 16 and the NVME slot being PCI-E4. Shame they didn't put 10Gbe into it.
     
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    b550 will replace the b450. brings pcie4 to that line up
    still stuck with limited usb3 ports by the look of it :(
     
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    Really depends on what you consider acceptable. I diverged from spending so much time on computer hardware to care that I am not gaming with the latest, and now my gaming PC is some 5 years old and it's still adequate to me. The socket being EOL isn't a huge factor since I don't incrementall.

    I think then it becomes a matter of whether you will have real drivers when the next big OS overhaul comes out. Certainly an area that I have been burnt with seeking edgy esoteric hardware (S3 Savage 2000 for example, that one really didn't go so well in the long run). I suppose in a way people with 300 series chipsets are seeing this possibility that they might not be able to adopt the latest upgrade unless their motherboard manufacturer gets out of bed on it.
     
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    My B450 board already has PCIE4. B550 is essentially the exact same as B450 boards, but AMD allows them to officially label them as PCIE4, but only on the CPU pcie lanes. Really nothing else has changed.

    B350 and x370 are pretty old now, many low cost boards were fit with small rom chips and feeble powersupplies. Launched early 2017. USB3 is pretty dated, none are going to support PCIE4, many weren't optimised for ryzen. Some supported 3000 series, I expect none will support 4000.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1099...oards-for-am4-laying-the-groundwork-for-ryzen

    The 400 series boards were generally a better build, with bigger roms. I can see a 400 series board supporting 4000 series CPU's, because the b550 boards still aren't here and they are technically capable of doing it.

    I don't upgrade unless I can get 100% CPU performance improvement. I bought into a 3700x, so a 4900x would provide effectively twice the CPU power and a 4950x would be more than that.I can then push the 3700x down and push out my 4790k, which is serving duty in my wifes PC. Which is 2014 era and down to one 8gb memory channel. The 4790k can then probably become a NAS box.

    I don't game anymore, but I am using home PC's for work a whole lot more. IMO gaming upgrades are better suited to video card upgrades. My 4790k runs games just fine. But video, recording, editing, encoding which I now do a lot of, is a whole lot faster with a faster CPU.
     
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    Well I should be ready for at least 100% cpu improvements... I'm still on a 1055t :D Still gives me 60+hz in Fortnite so I'll wait for AM5 to arrive.
     
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    1055t still gives 60fps in fornite?

    I have my 1090t, but not in active service. They were a great CPU at the time. Its what I am toying with on a NAS build because it will easily support ECC.
    The 4790k was the only time I broke my twice as fast rule. It wasn't twice as fast as 1090t. It was significantly faster in lightly threaded code. However, I was off grid, and the 4790k was more power efficient at idle (particularly with its iGPU) and the IGPU was alot faster than the 760g I originally had with the 1090t.

    With twice as fast, its hard to be disappointed in an upgrade. I also generally double the ram, double the video performance and twice the storage (or speed of storage). If you can't notice double the speed you weren't using it fully to begin with.

    So for my my next ryzen build will probably be:
    64GB 3200ram
    MITX B550 motherboard
    2 x 2 TB NVME drives
    Ryzen 4900x - 50% more cores and 15%+ IPC + 50% faster FPU. 3700 also isn't the fastest clocked cpu on earth. 3.6 Ghz base and 4.4 Boost.

    I imagine the 4000 will clock that smidge higher (100-400Mhz), be that bit more thermally improved, combined with the other improvements will get that 100% faster. 100% faster in multi core, probably close to 30-50% faster in light workloads.
     
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    Yeah.. peaks at 80fps or so. Haven't even overclocked it. GPU is 7850. 16Gb ram. Settings are turned down ofcause. Using multithreaded rendering and DX12 - options inside Fortnite. One reason for why I haven't moved to say a 8350 is that with the 1055t at least I get 6 real fpu's. But the 8350's overclocks much higher, but Microsoft decided to remove their Win 7 update that enables a decent scheduler for the bulldozer series.

    Meanwhile Der8auer clocks his 8350 to 8.1Ghz...
    https://www.techpowerup.com/266174/...-8-1-ghz-via-extreme-overclocking-by-der8auer

    I think those times are truly past us :(
     

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