Ryzen 5000 Series Discussion

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  1. iMomOx3

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    Now I'm conflicted. Bday is in June. Girlfriend says she will buy me a Ryzen 5 3600 which was my gateway to upgrading and getting a b450 system. Coming from an i7 4770 z87 system.

    Do I hold out even longer for the next gen? Or let her get me the 3600 and jump on the b550 and make use of a cheaper option with pcie4 without spending a fair amount on an x570 board .... Decisions decisions.
     
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    IMO B550 isn't worth waiting for (although its probably just weeks away). Some B450 chipsets setup PCIE4, and at the moment there aren't any really good, really cheap PCIE4 drives. PCIE3 is still fine.
    IMO x570 isn't worth it either, you would have to either have a lot of money and building a very specific system to make it worth while, most x570 boards are $100's more expensive over their b450 counterparts.

    Ryzen 4000 may be worth waiting for at this stage, still months away. But it would be a significant improvement on 3000. ~15% IPC and 50% FPU increases are nothing to sneeze at. But I think its release is more like Sept than June.

    That said I was very happy jumping from a 4790k to a 3700x. The machine is noticeably faster. But that is a combination of things, faster and more memory (32Gb DDR4 3200 verse 8Gb DDR3 1600), faster storage (500Gb SATAIII verse 1TB NVME), new windows install etc. But the CPU is faster in single thread, and more than twice as fast in multicore. My wife uses the 4790k and she complains about it constantly, and she is no tech freak. But things like Photoshop, just are not as responsive.
     
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    thats not a fair fight :)

    but yes, sadly, b550 is a dead chipset for a habitual upgrader. too late and no big feature upgrades. i was hoping for a ton of usb3 gen 2 ports thanks to the pcie4 bandwidth. but it looks like they are going to keep the board segmentation on a few simple extras.

    and yes, 4000 certainly appears to be worth waiting for. but june to september, thats a wait for the birthday present ...
    but im waiting it out :)
     
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    B550 is just B450 but now has magic CPU PCIE4 which B450 has always had. Not worth upgrading if you already have b450, not worth waiting for, and honestly after its out, B450 prices will be the bargain choice. Just get one that compatible with 4000, that will be B550 advantage, OTS ryzen 4000 support.

    x570 has 8 x 10gbps ports. so if you want that go with x570. But x570 is expensive. You can get a MITX b450 board for $200. X570 MITX boards cost ~$400-$500. And top end boards go up from there.

    A lot of x570 boards come with faster networking like Wifi 6 and 2.5/5/10Gbe. But you can also get a USB3 to 5GbE adapters these days.
     
  5. iMomOx3

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    I'm in this constant cycle of wanting to upgrade but can never justify it and bam, new parts are on the horizon. In all honesty, I mainly just game and even then its not Triple A titles (CSGO/DOTA) on this specific PC with some various photoshop/illustrator work here and there for personal use and non-publishing content so delays/lags/render times don't bother me too much. I'm sure any upgrade now would enhance my experience anyway.

    I could be overdoing/overthinking it with the need for pcie4. I'll let the GF grab me a R5 3600 as planned that way and if it turns out a B550 board is affordable and not much more than the B450, we'll just have to see at the time.

    Did the B450 boards with PCIE 4 get an update removing the pcie4 compatibility? Or are they still floating around and stable?

    For reference, the upgrades coming from an i7 4770, AsRock Z87 Fatal1ty Killer, 16gb Corsair Dom 1600, and an RX580 with a couple of SATAII and III SSD's. GPU down the track will be the 5700 XT path possibly upgrade that in the new few months.
     
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    What do you guys think the lowest it's going to reach prior to the 4th gens coming out and/or by June. Thinking it may have 1 more price decrease around June so hoping to snag it for ~$250.
     
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    I think once RDNA2/Ampere is out then the upgrade will make sense - with a 1080ti at the moment I don't get much gaming performance gain my moving from my 4790k to a 3900x.
     
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    I understand people are constantly itchingto upgrade but damn, some of the almost hostile impatience in those replies.. lol.

    3000 series hasn't even been out a year yet, some sku's far less. Everyone should Just assume it's December 31st and be content.

    Feel like the expectations regarding release time and performance are blowing out into fantasy land to the point If it's not out in September with 20% higher IPC and 5gigahurtz all core @ 95w. The internet will be plastered with AMD FAIL!!11
     
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    Looking forward to this release. I've updated the rest of my gear in anticipation. Although I did pick up a 3600 to go with the gear, its a placeholder for a high end Zen3 chip :thumbup:.

    My new 5700XT may also be a placeholder for RDNA2, although realistically even the 5700XT is massive overkill for my personal needs. Hard to resist new and shiny things though :lol:
     
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    AMD just confirmed that Zen 3 will NOT be compatible with current B450/X470 and prior motherboards. It's 500 series only now, despite retaining the exact same socket.

    Looks like they've moved to Intel cadence as soon as they started making money

    [​IMG]
     
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    Rats that was always planning to be my next move, will be waiting for at least Ryzen 5000 series on 5nm before the next upgrade
     
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    Might be up to mobo manufacturers, as B350 also don't officially support Zen 2, but we'll see.
     
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    1600af at 165 aud. absolute bargain.

    ...but theyll upset the ocd crowd as ddr5 will need a new chipset... ie not b550 :upset: b650? :upset:
     
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    Well yeah , it's exactly the same as current situation , so will wait and see.

    Without confirmation of the exact reasons, can't really say much about it. I'm not complaining though, I bought my xhair in early 17 and have got one drop in upgrade out of it so I'll be ready to move on. Those on recently purchased B450 boards though, yeah not cool. They really should have released 550 earlier if it was going to be like this
     
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    True, but as I just said over at the Ryzen 5000 thread, there seems to be a possibility now than Zen 4/Ryzen 5000 could appear on AM4. They certainly leave that option open in the blog post. And DDR 5 seems tied to needing a new socket. If DDR5 is not ready for consumers, then I can't see AMD holding back on a 5nm cpu. They will release it on AM4.
     

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