Ryzen 5000 Series Discussion

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  1. chook

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    It is somewhat how things are now. The 3000 series of APU's are actually Zen+. I think that average Joe doesn't even know (or care) what a Zen is and just looks at the 3000/4000, if they even look at all. They go to their PC shop or Dell, etc. and just buy the one that the man said to. Job done.

    Not saying that you don't have a point, just that I think we all (myself included) sometimes lose sight of the fact that those people probably pay as much attention as I pay when I buy a car. My criteria is simple: four cylinder and full size spare. Beyond that my care factor is almost 0.
     
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    Nope - Zen 3 is a new arch - whatever that means. Enough changes to called it Zen 3 rather than Zen 2+.

    Looks like Zen 3 will have ~15% IPC improvements over Zen 2;
    https://realmoney.thestreet.com/investing/technology/amd-inks-new-server-cpu-deals-15170073
     
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    uarch =/= node size.

    So a new architecture with a process refinement warrants a new codename rather than + designation.
     
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    tempted to wait for these and snag a used zen2 cheap
     
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    The drop will be there, but not as massive as you think. If you want a zen2 very cheap you'll need to wait for the next arch, Zen4, which will with a socket change and likely DDR5 make all previous Zen look a bit weak. That's why I'll be waiting for Zen4, it will be a real game changer IMHO.

    The price of a 1700/X dropped 30% or so when the 2700/X came out, but a 1700 is currently in the FS section with 100 bucks bid so far. That drop happened because Zen2 came out, until then they were holding at around $200. My 2700X is now worth ~$250, half its new price, because Zen2 came out. Ryzen 4000 (Zen3) will be just another iterative improvement on Zen2, the same as 1700<>2700 was an iterative improvement. Although Zen+ was on a slightly shrunken die, the arch didn't change a lot.

    Think of them in pairs, each pair with a new arch/die shrink. Confusing because they called the second gen Zen+ instead of Zen2, especially since Zen+ was also a minor die shrink.
    Zen/Zen+ = 1000/2000 series 14nm/12nm
    Zen2/Zen3 = 3000/5000 series 7nm/7nm
    Zen4 = 6000 series (unless they change the names again just to confuse :lol: ) 5nm

    EDIT: Just remembered this post, they changed the numbering system since then , and the 4000 series (Zen3) is now actually the 5000 series.

    Zen4 will probably be 6000 series unless they fuck with the numbering scheme again,
    which seems likely, since that will be a total change of architecture, supporting DDR5, and it would make sense that the whole numbering system changes too.

    4000 series now is actually a Zen2 laptop series with onboard graphics.


    The real savings will come when a whole new arch comes out, with Zen4, on the 5nm process.
    Then you'll probably be looking at getting a Zen+ (2700/X) for 100 bucks or a Zen2 (3700/X) for $250, assuming the mainstream (in recent times, 8core) chip remains at about the $500 retail mark as the previous ones have done.

    I wouldn't think you'd be buying a 3700/X Zen 2 for less than $350 when Zen3(5700/X) drops. Still pretty good value though, depending on how much of an improvement fine tuning the 5000 series accomplishes.

    You may actually find that Zen3 (5700/X) holds its value slightly better than the previous Zen chips, since Zen4 will also require new motherboards due to a socket change (AM5?) and possibly even ram if it goes to DDR5 as predicted. Many people will be buying secondhand high end Zen3 chips to run on their AM4/DDR4 boards rather than a whole new socket and ram combo.
     
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    problem is im stuck on 16gb of ram and its a pita just for daily usage and multitasking
     
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    What is your daily usage, and why are you stuck on 16GB? You have a K4 according to your sig, that has 4 dimms - unless you've changed boards and not updated your sig?

    I can't see how 16GB can be that much of a pita, unless you are using it for productivity stuff. The average user should be more than fine with 16GB.
    I only have 32GB because my OCD drives me mad with having 2 empty slots. I can't really notice the difference from my original 16GB.

    I do a lot of video transcoding and run a couple of VM's, and usually have maybe a dozen Chrome tabs open - nothing particularly demanding, but even that workload is probably significantly more than the average user. Still not enough to justify the extra ram though, its just an OCD thing (and maybe a little ePeen I guess. :lol:)
     
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    idc i guess i got faulty ram? MY mobo is on the latest bios
    Anyway if i find more cheap ram ill get 32gb 3600
    i just had a heap of chrome tabs open and some games wouldnt play nice with 16gb like Xplane and other sims
     
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    Maybe it's my mobo but 4 dimms populated doesn't play well with high ram speeds. I gave away 16GB and went back to 2 slots so i could crank the speed! No game has gone close to using the full 16.
     
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    guess ill just wait and see what the new ddr5 ram comes out like since ddr4 days are numbered
     
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    ddr5 will start out expensive tho.
     
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    Expensive and probably barely any quicker than the upper ranges of DDR4 examples at first.
     
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    As is tradition
     
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    as i said ill just wait ddr4 has plateaued
     
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    Seeya in 2022 when ddr5 is worth looking at then :lol:
     
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    This is the way.
     
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    AMD's presser for CES 2020 with Lisa Su is at Tuesday Jan 7 9am AEST. Zen 3 is featured heavily apparently. Might even see some big navi teaser.
     
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