Ryzen 5000 Series Discussion

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  1. RnR

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    • There won't be any PCIe5. Its expensive and will hit servers first with the Genoa cpu. The Warhol image I posted before shows PCIe4 only.
    • L3 cache talks to Infinity Fabric on the IO die. To work with DDR5, the IO die needs work. Not the cpu cache.
    • There won't be any FPU work for Zen 3+. All that work is on Zen 4 for TSMC's N5 process which is not IP compatible with TSMC's N7 family. I can't see AMD duplicating that work.
    • Even the adoption of DDR5 is iffy. Usually servers goes first in adopting ram tech, and both Intel and AMD have committed to DDR5 for their server platforms in late 2021, early 2022. After a hypothetical Warhol release.
    • AM5 with DDR4? But why?
    This is from Anandtech's review of Zen 1+, which I think is relevant for Zen 3+ considerations;
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/12625/amd-second-generation-ryzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600/4

    So a ~10% increase in performance based on minor tweaks on the IO die (faster fabric?) and adoption of TSMC's N7p process (+7% clock speed at the same power). Thats my take anyways.

    So again... "Why Warhol?". We are left with one reason. Give Intel 10% more grey hairs :D
     
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  2. MUTMAN

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    i never understood warhol until at MOMA i stood in front of a giant can of pea soup
    standing there it was clear, he was genius.

    i suspect amd will release warhol and we'll see the same giant pea soup can genius appear
     
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  3. 335 GT

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    This is why I'm buying a 5900x. DDR5 will be pointless for the first year. Always wait for the speed bump.

    The 5900x will carry me through a couple of years
     
  4. chook

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    If you bastards could just stop making me want a 5900X even more that would be great thanks. :lol:
     
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  5. nCrypt

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    i would get a 5900X, but 12 core to 12 core doesn't feel like an upgrade from the 3900x.

    Current setups
    3900x 2080Ti 1440p/120hz/34" Ultrawide
    3700X 3080 1440p/165hz/32"

    have a 2nd 3080 on the way to replace the 2080 Ti, but may also look at a BigNavi.

    Intend to replace the 3900x with the 5950x, but then need to decide if i just sell the 3900x, or sell the 3700x instead.

    In some games the 3700x actually beats the 3900x due to clockspeed. Both 3700x/3900x are OCd to 4.5ghz ALL cores.

    Maybe ill just waste some cash and sell both and drop 5950x and 5900x respectively. hmm. temptations!
     
  6. chook

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    True but I can at least tell myself that 3900X to 5900X is an upgrade because I get a bigger number. I probably only really need a 5600X (and even then need is slightly questionable) but that would make me less of a man because fewer cores. I mean, when you are at the pub and looking to pick up chicks how would you be when the ugly lights go and and you have to ask the lady back to your place to check out your pathetic little 6 inch core processor?
     
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  7. nCrypt

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    haha. dam i miss the pub, no pub or beer on tap since March :(

    not the size of the want, its the magic within it!

    or as intel users, is not the core count, its the clockspeed! means nothing now
     
  8. RnR

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    Its like trying to convince yourself that a 6 cylinder car is fine when 8 and more cylinders are on offer. There is just something about the whisper quiet growl of a noctua fan on a chunky heatsink that is primal to cylinder lovers everywhere.

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    https://twitter.com/TechEpiphany/status/1320145198995902472

    No idea which continent...
     
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  9. Phido

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    I too don't think DDR5 will be worth it immediately. I think there will be a large early adoption price on that. Plus I am quite invested into AM4 now. I am geared up to go to 5000 series.


    Interesting views at hardware unboxed, 5600x verse 3700x. Unfortunately I think the 5600x is definitely the way to go, for basically all purposes. Its gaming, single thread IPC ALU performance will be much faster, and for things like encoding/rendering, the 6 core will be very close to the 8 core if not beating it due to improvements. I don't think Hardware unboxed really get how clear cut the 5000 per core advantage will be.

    The ALU improvement should make the CPU noticeably snappier.

    IMO how often do you use your full core power?

    I don't use 8 cores that much, but when I do its lovely to have them all ripping through a task. But I could probably live with 6 if I had to.
    But then I think about the remorse I had after buying the 3700x and the 3900x came out and had 50% more beef and absolutely slaying the 3700x, then the 3950 doubling the scores. Regretting I didn't spend the extra ~$250 on the 12 cores. I told my self, not to be silly, wait for the next gen. Spend it then!

    Given that I have now setup a pathway, my pc => wifes pc => NAS/Kids I think there is extended value in getting a more cores on a processor. While it will probably only live in my main box for 1-3 years. It will live on in my house hold for probably 10 years.
     
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    reee i fixed my 2700x now i dont have an excuse to get a zen3
    later nerds ill buy one cheap in 2 years :p
     
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    will be fine, depends what you want to do with Zen3. purely gaming sure.

    Overclocking, then need to look at the VRMs, as thats where the main difference is in cheaper to more expensive boards.

    also B550 only supports 1 x pci-e4.0 m.2 slot where x570 supports 2 x pci-e 4.0 slots.

    Other then that not a big difference between some VRMS on B550 to X570. But X570 will have active cooling on chipset and some VRMs, where as B550 usually doesnt (some do)

    B550 will also have 2.5Gb NIC, Wifi 6 and BT 5.0 .. most X570 only have 1Gb nic, again, may not be relevant.

    Asus are releasing some updated X570 boards with Zen3, so would expect these to have the updated networking stuff, along with stronger VRM for better overclocking.
     
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    Thanks mate, yeah just gaming atm, planning to get the 8 core Zen 3
     
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    Review of many B550 boards, VRM's and temps.:

    and



    Apparently, MSI X570 Tomahawk/WiFi (~$360), one of the Best VRM.... and ASUS Prime X570-P (~$260), budget no Frills board with excellent VRM:

     
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    I remember seeing this review back when it was published and been keeping an eye out for it since.
    Just yesterday, I got an alert for a sale on one of these and ordered it!

    On a different note, I went to MSI's page to see the Bios downloads, and the cant seem to find an active link?
     
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    It's a shame MSI are dead to me after the 3080 ebay bullshit. They have a few half decent looking motherboards.

    Crossing my fingers for 10Gbe, so I can have 10Gbps and still have a vertical mount GPU (without another card getting in the way) but I know it won't happen.
     
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    These spdreadsheets are really good for VRM and feature comparison:

    VRM
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/

    Features
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/

    MUTMAN these might be good to add into the FAQ.
     
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    haha. i was just going to, and then i clicked the big spreadsheet and fell into the rabbit hole :D :lol:

    thanks O-B-E-L-I-X


    edit -
    chook RnR @everyone

    I've updated the FAQ and reordered a few sections. Feedback, corrections, additions, etc are all welcomed :)
    I'll add some links from RnR's thread on the 'nuc' boxs too

    Random Bits section added. got ryzen random ? send me the links please :)
     
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