Ryzen 5000 Series Discussion

Discussion in 'AMD x86 CPUs and chipsets' started by Skramit, Nov 7, 2019.

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    dunno, might be a good incentive for you to utilise ?
     
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    Maybe. He has a desktop for gaming and will get my 1080 Ti later this year when I upgrade.

    If he needs a laptop "for school" then a AUD400 one should do. He is paying for it himself so can do whatever he wants with his money. I am trying to encourage wise spending but am also well aware of all the excellent purchasing decisions I made at 16 :p.

    While that laptop is super nice, I think that waiting to see a bit more of the offerings in a new group of products might be better than jumping but looking can't hurt.
     
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    Bunch of U models launched /launching too for the 'rest of us' so that will be interesting.

    That zephyr is excellent though. It represents a truely pivotal moment re' AMD powered laptops that's for sure. Launching with a halo gaming / higher power product a good move from a marketing pt of view too I think. It's grabbed a shitload of attention from sheer performance alone
     
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    That's a little misleading. 9980HK is designed as a 45W chip but some laptops implement a 90W "Turbo" mode. Spoilers: Performance doesn't double when going from the 45W mode to the 90W mode, it's more like a 20% improvement with lousy efficiency.

    The AMD chip would still be the clear winner when compared to the 9980HK in 45W mode (25% faster in Cinebench for around the same power consumption) but the Intel isn't AS bad as that makes it look.
     
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    This must speak very well for the performance of the cpus in the next gen consoles!
     
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    Cant wait to see a 65w desktop apu now.

    They might make 36/3700's irrelevent.
     
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    i know what my office rig replacement will be :)
    I foresee Unicorns and Rainbows
     
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    Griffin platform was the first mobile only one. circa 2008. They wern't terrible as a platform, split power plane, better power management, battery life improved, but ended up facing off with 45nm - no hope given they were still on K8 Architecture a terrible 65nm!

    Yeah, watt/performance vs perf/watt, are two difference things.. still, it's usually more complicated than that still - just about all will allow temporary boost above TDP for short duration, For the 4900HS that ceiling is 65w , for the 9980HK it's 91w (or is it ~100?) though smaller chassis might not allow the later (for any period of time)

    Theres no clear way to compare laptop processors installed in a system. All you can do is look at sustained power draw vs performance. When it comes to cinebench I think you'll find the perf/watt delta would be larger than 25% , 30%+. quite a slaughtering
     
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    So I got sent this very interesting link for a laptop using desktop Ryzen 3000 CPU's: https://www.xmg.gg/en/en/xmg-apex-15

    So down the bottom it says the cpu "max" option is 3900X at 65W, which implies they are running the cpu in eco mode. So I went looking up some benchmark stats, to compare to the 4900HS results. The 4900HS (35W) gets ~4100 in cinebench R20, whereas a stock 3700X gets ~4800, and I found a reddit post stating a 3700X in eco mode (45W) gets ~4300. The same post also said the single core score stayed the same, eco vs normal mode. The L3 cache might be responsible for the performance difference: 12MB in 4900HS vs 32MB in 3900X.

    So this laptop seems a way better option. Having a GPU integrated on the 4900HS is pretty moot point considering the benchmarked laptop linked in this thread uses a discrete graphics card.
     
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    Some more Zen3 leaks this time from adored:


    Quick notes (A lot of these have been previous rumours, but more concrete now possibly)
    Only expect 10-15% single threaded IPC gains this time.
    8 core ccx instead of 4. This may increase multithreaded IPC above the 10-15% because L3 cache is shared between all 8 cores instead of 4.
    higher boost clocks (duh)
    B0 sampling not expected until September, so 2020 release looking unlikely
     
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    Intel's 10nm is broken and has been broken for some time. When they actually ship something in meaningful volume, sure they will provide competition. Until then, they're treading water.
     
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    ^ from the wcf article

    enhanced security ?
    maybe intel go with just fixing the current shitfest first
     
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    That's probably what they're doing - selling the fact they are fixing their fuck-ups as a win.
     
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    15+ IPC and still much lower thermals. 50% FPU seems unbelievable unless they are talking about more cores or specific instructions.
     
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    AVX512 maybe.
     

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