SilkyPix RAW converter

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  1. sir_bazz

    sir_bazz Team Papparazi

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    Some of you may have heard of this very highly regarded RAW converter.

    Up until recently it was only available in Japanese language but now there is a English beta version for anyone interested in seeing what all the huff is about.

    I just downloaded it and although I can't find a cropping tool, it looks good so far.

    Here's a link to the site and a pic I posted recently after reworking in SilkyPix.

    Bazz.
    http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/

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    This one looks alot better then the one in the other thread.

    Did you work it differently or did you spend more time on this one?

    Armers
     
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    sir_bazz

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    Actually spent less time on it.

    Just chose a couple of the presets for WB and sharpness.

    I'll try and do a side by side compare at 100% with the same color temp settings just to get a better idea.

    bazz.
     
  4. decryption

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    What's the advantage of using this as opposed to the Camera RAW feature in Photoshop?
     
  5. Dinuc

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    Interesting.

    Camera Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark II
    Shutter speed: 1/100 sec
    Aperture: 3.5
    ISO: 1600
    Lens: 24 to 70mm
    Focal length: 70mm

    Original.
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    First processor.
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    Second processor.
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    Both set to defaults or average.

    I think the first one has oversmoothed and lost detail and a bit too much contrast and saturation for my liking.
    Dna
     
  6. Killing Time

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    I tried this out on a picture i had of a red lamp on a white background, silkypix had totally different (unatural) colours compared to the cannon process, gonna mess around some more i'll see if i can post it...

    First one is with cannon second is with silkypix everything default

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    Is this just me buggering it up or slikypix being default set wrong in some way?
     
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    Well the goal would be cleaner processing of RAW files resulting in better jpg's. Personally I'm hoping this will give me better results than the other RAW processors I've tried. ie ARC 2.4, ARC 3.0, Bibble 4.2, Pentax Photolab.
    I've been informed that this beta is based on an early version of the base code.
    As the silkypix workflow seems OK, I'm interested in seeing how the release version stacks up.
    Looking at dinuc and your samples, the Canon routines could do with a bit of work.

    Here's a screenie from the crop tool of the current Japanese ver.

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    bazz.
     
  8. Dinuc

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    Mine was Capture One. I prefer it because there are more details.

    Silkypix doesn't seem to do batch processing, and the whitebalance doesn't have adjustable values, or if it does it is non-obvious.

    Dna
     
  9. Killing Time

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    just as test i'm not really happy with either of the images but the cannon one (first one) is more like the actual lamp its a over saturated but not as much as the silkypix is undersaturated.
    Both need some playing around, this whole RAW conversion gets more complex evey few weeks seems like we get further from the actual real colours and stituations.
     
  10. Dinuc

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    got the raw file somewhere ?

    Dna
     
  11. avandonk

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    Colour as an intrinsic quality of light does not exist! We have three types of cones etc.
    and it is the ratio of the stimuli of these cones that our brains perceive as colour.So we can all fiddle till the next best program comes along.
    The only way to evaluate these programs is the final signal to noise ratio in
    these images,not colour.Does MTF come to mind.
    This is the purely scientific evaluation.
    I have seen stunning images out of focus(slightly) and colour imbalance, it is all finally what we perceive.We cannot replace reality just record a ghost
    that looks more real all the time.I think it's great that these small nuances
    are even a matter of conjecture.So keep it up folks, but don't lose sight
    that the final arbiter is your visual system.
     
  12. Killing Time

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    Dinuc, Wont let me upload for some reason, could send it via e-mail or msn pm if you still want it.
     
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    Yes, but if the final image doesn't match Killing Time's perception and memory of the lamp then it isn't true.

    Dna
     
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    lose sight (pun)
    that the final arbiter is your visual system.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, but if the final image doesn't match Killing Time's perception and memory of the lamp then it isn't true.

    Yes I agree
     
  15. Dinuc

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    Basically there are two problems. The first is that the red channel was massively overexposed, the second is the white balance.

    I reduced the exposure by 1.4 stops and then clicked what I thought was white paper down the bottom of the photo and got this ...

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    Accurate colour but not true to life !!

    Reducing the exposure and using the camera defined white balance gave this ...

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    Which I'm guessing is fairly close to what it looked like.

    Large size here.

    Hope that helps.

    Dna
     
  16. Killing Time

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    Hmmmm, does "look" "like" it but i dont know where the yellow is coming from its totally red all over in real life just brighter red in the middle i guess its just confusing the crap out of the white balance, i'll have a play later turns out its actually a pretty intresting shot after all!!!
     
  17. Dinuc

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    Nope, digital is more sensitive to infra red and that causes the middle 'hot' bit to go white.

    Dna
     
  18. MWP

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    Thought i would dig this up again...

    Anyone still using Silkypix?
    Im just giving the new beta a go (supports the 40D), and im mighty impressed.
    I liked the simple workflow in RSE, so i also like the workflow in Silkypix.
    Is much more powerful than RSE (not hard to do tho), and is also much quicker to get a batch of photos converted.

    :thumbup: :thumbup:
     
  19. 0oBelialo0

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    Interesting. I thought the Pentax photolab software was rebadged silkypix? If so I'm not interested, because that's some god awful software...

    Otherwise I might check it out. As much as I love RSE, I know I'm going to need to kick the habit one day...

    Ben
     
  20. bugeyes

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    Never stopped using it! Its noise reduction capabilities are second to none, though it is a little slower than lightroom and PS
     

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