Spintel unlimited is not unlimited

Discussion in 'Networking, Telephony & Internet' started by Chamelion, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. caspian

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    perhaps. I just doubt that most people have enough of a view of the industry, or of business in general, or indeed objectivity, to enable them to hold a balanced viewpoint on the matter.
     
  2. SupremeMoFo

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    Maybe you have an entirely unreasonable notion of how much data could reasonably be downloaded in a month.
     
  3. iSTELTHYi

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    Maybe you have an unreasonable definition of the term unlimited ;)
     
  4. SupremeMoFo

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    So how much legal content can you download per month? Go on, I'm sick of this stupid rhetoric, give me an answer.
     
  5. Apokalipse

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    If the plan says unlimited, then he should be able to download as much as he wants.
     
  6. Carcin0Genic

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    First off, I don't care either way. Any ISP stupid enough to provide an 'unlimited' plan won't service my area.

    But it is simple really, assuming all legit, lets go for youtube. A 1080p video with stereo sound is 8384 Kb/s. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
    Thats higher then the average speed of Aus connections so lets go with that as the max speed of the connection.

    Assuming 30 days in a month, 30*24*60*60= 2,592,000 seconds in a month.
    2,592,000 seconds of 8384 Kb gives us 21,731,328,000 Kb of data.

    So, running a 1080p stereo youtube video, 24/7 for a month will pull ~2590GB of data in a month.

    That is not including any uploading, overheads, downtime, yadayadayada.
     
  7. SupremeMoFo

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    I'm pretty sure you signed a contract when you set the service up agreeing to the fact you weren't going to use it in any illegal capacity. I'm not judging you for doing this but what I'm saying is you can't turn around and tell the ISP off because they didn't keep to their side of the bargain.

    Aaaaand then pull it back to a more logical 8hrs/day (if you could even find that much 1080p content on YouTube) and then you have 860GB/mth.
     
  8. iSTELTHYi

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    On an unlimited plan, there would be 'no limit'.

    If companies wish to impose a limit, then they have a data usage plan :)
     
  9. Apokalipse

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    I think you misunderstood me: I said If the plan says unlimited, then he should be able to download as much as he wants. I did not mention anything about the content being illegal.
    And yes, you can easily do it with legal content.
     
  10. Carcin0Genic

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    LOL. You wanted to know how much could be had in a month given the chance, then you want to put logic into it? You just didn't like the answer you got.
    Yes, there is that much content on youtube. Easily.
    I also know a couple of people who have steam libraries in the terabytes. What if they want to download a lot of games overnight and watch YouTube vids during the day?
     
  11. Apokalipse

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    Not to mention having multiple people sharing the same internet connection.
     
  12. SupremeMoFo

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    lol... maybe one day you people will join the real world. Your notions are cute though, you should discuss putting them into practice with a political party of unicorns and mermaids.
     
  13. Apokalipse

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    Totally, I mean who browses youtube, uses steam and shares their connection with other people right?
     
  14. iSTELTHYi

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    So what you're saying is, is that the term unlimited has a limit on it? If so, please tell me know, because i dont engage with trolls, and will need to put you on ignore!
     
  15. flu!d

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    I tend to believe that logic dictates here, I don't give a stuff about the industry, in fact concerns regarding the industry don't even enter my mind.

    Basically:

    Unlimited means unlimited, as in: with no limits attached.

    Capped means limited, as in: limits apply.

    If it in an any way unrealistic to expect an ISP to provide a plan that is by the above definitions unlimited, than it shouldn't be called as such and false advertising should apply no matter what the contractual fine print dictates.

    It really is quite simple.
     
  16. SupremeMoFo

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    Because you're so thick you refuse to acknowledge what Caspian and myself have been trying to explain your take on it with these stupid notions people have to redownload their Steam library every month, watch YouTube for hours on end every day (don't you people have jobs?), and have so many people to share the connection with (with the average occupants per household being 2.5 in 2006 and still declining) I've put you on my ignore list, GG sir
     
  17. iSTELTHYi

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    Its seems you're too thick to realize peoples problems arent with them imposing limits, its with them using the term unlimited and imposing limits!

    Not going to miss you, byes :)
     
  18. James086

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    Exactly. If the ISPs can't make a profit on the plans then they shouldn't offer them. It's not the customer's responsibility to make the ISP profitable.
     
  19. Apokalipse

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    You apparently think everybody's usage is the same as yours, and nobody should need more than 500GB, even for legal downloads. This is simply wrong. And we gave two common examples of things people use that can eat up download quotas legally. They're certainly not even the only legal things that can eat up quotas either.
    Porn is legal. And all men look at it.

    You're also missing the point. The point isn't even about how much users need to download. The point is about using the term "unlimited" in a misleading way. Unlimited, by definition, means "no limits". The word literally says it: "un" (without/not) + limited.
    If there is a limit to a plan that's called unlimited, then it's falsely advertised. Simple as that.

    You don't think anybody might buy several new games in a month?
    And what if there are brothers/friends who buy the same games to play with/against each other, and they both download the same games from the same connection? It happens. And a lot of games can be close to 10GB each.

    One 20 minute 1080p youtube video can be ~0.5-1GB by itself. One video.
    If there are four people in the household, and each of them spends 3 hours on youtube a day (not even necessarily at the same time), that will certainly add up.

    Apparently you don't understand what average is - or more specifically what average is not.
    It does not mean every single household has 2.5 people in it. Some have one, some have 5 or 6, and a small percentage have even more.
     
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  20. SupremeMoFo

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    Clearly, none of the customers of my employer have such needs, given the only service I've ever seen that had used more than 1TB quota was for a business (on a personal plan). Granted, we don't do unlimited plans for the reasons Caspian has described, but like most ISPs there are 1TB plans available if you want them.

    And of those small number of houses with 5 or more occupants, there are going to be far fewer where all 6 are adults that use so much data day in day out.
     

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