Discussion in 'Pets & Animals' started by dlcx, Jan 4, 2010.
I do like the second picture.. the PP is very nice and suited to that photo.
call them. i spoke to them 2 nights ago about getting a young female.
Agreed - great pics!
Thanks guys! The subject matter makes it much easier!
Any rescue in general (most of them will have staffies and staffy crosses).but going to an actual staffy rescue is your best bet haha.
While I like the idea of rescuing a staffie from the rspca etc... I would question the quality of the dog.
If you're looking at a pure breed, the only way to be sure is to buy from a breeder. If you're after a staffy looking dog, then take the chance with a rescued one. You can get them DNA tested though, to find out what breeds are in them.. (a friend of my partners did this at her work and she was shocked to see what was in there lol)
Also, just as a side note, in the puppy pack you would get, it clearly says that if at any point you don't want the dog, you are to return it to us. We recently received a call from the rspca with a dog that had been picked up from some guy...
As it turns out, the person who bought the dog, got divorced and no longer wanted it etc.. gave it to his cousin, who didn't feed it etc etc.. The idiot even still had the puppy pack when he handed it in.. Luckily someone at the rspca read through it and found the contact information and rang us..
Went and picked her up, could see ribs etc and fed her up and rehoused her with another staffy owner.. She's now a part of a family again. (a loving one)
Have you had any of your purebreeds tested? I think you'll find a few 'skeletons' in the closet too.
The genetic test is mostly for crossbreds, and while there may be some "skeletons" in the closet in most breeds, the percentage of that would be minimal in what people classify as "pure breeds".
You can't guarantee that your "pure breed" is actually 100% pure. What you can do is make sure you are buying a dog from a registered breeder who aims to best serve the breed, and not their wallet. Not breeding with dogs that have genetic diseases etc.. Which ours have been tested for..
I think you'd be surprised. When these things are done on people even the most 'white-bred' often come out with significant amounts of African, Asian, etc. And of course the reverse is true - there's a bit of whitey in almost everyone. We call people with little variability 'inbred'.
A breeder being registered is absolutely no guarantee they do the right things, maybe you do, and your screening activities are admirable. But you have to recognise it is this insistence of breeders trying to achieve greater degrees of purity that has given rise these genetic problems in the first place.
Unless you intend to show (and why would you?), if the dog is ostensibly 'Staffy', then who cares about its purity? In fact a little bit of impurity is likely to be a good thing for its health.
As for the predictability of temperament, nurture has a far greater effect than nature on the puppy, the rest is a lottery no matter how good the breeder supposedly is.
As you are working from home your staffy will be very happy. I work from home and my bitch loves to keep me company. As long as you provide exercise it will not be an issue with a small yard (and you working from home).
My pure bred staffy bitch has not destroyed anything except for the stuffed soft toys we give her to play with - any soft toy is a goner if Delilah gets it so we have to be careful with any visiting kids and make sure they do not leave soft toys on the floor.
Vic staffy club has a puppy list which is regularly updated - it is a recorded phone message.
Lots of staffys are really only a little bit of staffy - the sort that used to advertise in the Trading Post (assume they now go to eBay?) with relatively cheap dogs are generally to be avoided. Get a pure bred from a serious breeder.
It is essential that you socialise your puppy with other dogs from a very early age. Staffys do have something of a reputation for not being overly friendly to other dogs (but love people). My bitch was introduced to play sessions with other dogs from a very early age and we have no issues with her at the dog park - mind you when she meets one of her staffy friends you would think WWIII had started but it is all good fun and their tails are always wagging - staffys play tough together.
Even the 'purebreeds' ?!
Might as well get a mix cheap if so.
Too right they play rough.. Ours drag each other around the yard by their joules. Cracks me up.
Staff's are a friendly dog towards people.. But when we go to a dog park, if there is another dog there, we leave. It's not worth the risk IMO. While they are friendly with each other, things can flare up.. Like the postman, one dog will chase him, the others will follow the frenzy and things can get out of hand quickly and next thing you're at the vets getting stitches. We have pairs of dogs who get along, and we're always in the yard with them should anything arise. (they try to eat neighbors dog through panel fence. lol)
Which is exactly why you need to socialise them from a very early age. Delilah plays rough when it suits her and the other dog but is equally happy to be "protective" of a young puppy. Delilah loves the dog park and the dog beach - if we had to leave every time another dog turned up both Delilah and her owners would miss out on so much.
While I do agree with you mostly.. What I see as a concern is that Staffy's are a prey driven dog. Even if they are fine with other dogs, if something starts, not even directly with them, things can get out of hand VERY quickly.
Once they go into frenzy mode, you can't stop them.. Calling them, whistling, or even whacking won't stop them. Very stubborn, very head strong and a very determined dog once it sets it mind on something.
It's these reasons why we don't let our dogs play with others. Last thing we want is someone demanding our dog be euthanasia'd because a fight accidentally broke out and killed their dog.
I guess it depends on how much you trust your dog and the breed. Regardless of how well we know our own dogs, we also know what the breed is like.
Excitement and staffys = potential frenzy... bad combination with unfamiliar surroundings.
Of course this is all only my opinion.. Each and every dog is different.
I was going to say this in the thread, but didnt want to come across as being negative. Being big, strong dogs, with a repuation of being a big aggro with other dogs, they definitely need to be socialized early.
When walking the dogs a few weeks ago (3 month old mini Daschunds), the staffy from two doors down broke through the fence to come and maul one of our little guys. Funnily enough, the same thing happened to my sister near her place, with her tibetan spanial.
I think staffies can be great dogs, as can all hunting/fighting dogs (bull terriers, etc etc), but they need a bit of extra effort early on to ensure they grow up to be a happy and friendly invididual.
My wife and I rescued a 4 yo Staffy early in 2009. He is an awesome dog, however as has been mentioned we believe he wasn't socialised in his early years and as such he does not mix well (at all) with other dogs. This isn't a huge deal and we have learnt to manage it by walking him at odd times and taking him to secluded beaches / parks. What annoys me though is people who think it is OK to let there off lead dog come up to ours and they get a rude shock when he 'snaps' at them. He is unbelievably great with humans however, both adults and kids.
Something that hasn't been mentioned much is 'seperation anxiety'. Staffys are renowned for suffering from this. I think it is due to there inherant loyalty to the pack and they just hate it when the pack (you) leave without them.
There was a good introductory document at www.staffyrescue.org.au floating around somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment, I will have a look when I get home tonight and post it up if I find it.
I found the write up I was talking about.. See below
Nice looking dog,i know once a dog i knew was desexed,he was quite as anything,played less,like you said,no need to do it ,don't.
I had to laugh reading the chewing part of that article. lol
Ours chew on old go-kart tires and 20L drums.. The tires are the only thing that seem to last a while.
I walked out the other week to find a thong.. well, half a thong.. So now it's my bike stand pad for when it's wet. (soft dirt)
They had a dog show down at Durack today, lots of staffies.. My partner and I went down for an agility demonstration. Was quite funny when you see people's response to one of our dogs run through the course.. She squeel's and barks the whole way through.. Absolutely loves it. Even carry's on when our other dog does it. lol
We got our staffy a "kong", one of those indestructible toys. Didn't last long.
A few weeks ago we got a solid yellow rubber thing, and it's lasted AGES. Well, ages by her standards is an hour or so, but it's held up for weeks. Will have to find out what it was called.