The C64 (and other 8-bit Commodore machines) thread.

Discussion in 'Retro & Arcade' started by lupin, Nov 8, 2014.

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What 8-bit Commodore machines do you have in your collection?

  1. Commodore KIM-1

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Commodore PET/CBM

    2 vote(s)
    2.6%
  3. Commodore CBM-II (B128/B256/128-80/256-80/500/600/610/700)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Commodore MAX

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Commodore VIC-20

    9 vote(s)
    11.5%
  6. Commodore 64 (The older brown fat model known as the "Breadbin")

    40 vote(s)
    51.3%
  7. Commodore 64C (The newer beige slim model)

    37 vote(s)
    47.4%
  8. Commodore 64GS

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Commodore SX-64

    4 vote(s)
    5.1%
  10. Commodore Educator 64

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Commodore 16

    4 vote(s)
    5.1%
  12. Commodore 116 (Cost-reduced version of the C16 sold only in Europe)

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  13. Commodore Plus/4

    5 vote(s)
    6.4%
  14. Commodore 128

    8 vote(s)
    10.3%
  15. Commodore 128D

    8 vote(s)
    10.3%
  16. Commodore 128DCR (Cost-reduced and bug-corrected version of the C128D)

    2 vote(s)
    2.6%
  17. Commodore Prototype/Unreleased (C65/C900/LCD/Other)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  18. Commodore Emulator - I don't have real Commodore 8-bit machines anymore :(

    13 vote(s)
    16.7%
  19. Commodore Emulator - I've never seen/owned real Commodore 8-bit machines, but wish I did!

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  20. Commodore Remake - FPGA or similar modern day implementation

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  21. Commodore Candy - I thought Commodore was a car model...?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Vanne

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    did anyone see this yet? this just BLEW me away...

     
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    Thats some impressive programming when you consider the compute power disparity
    I wonder if a software house is trying to enlist the author ?
     
  6. elvis

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    Probably the other way around. These things are usually done by clever people who are bored by their 9-to-5.

    One of the lead devs for MAME works for Microsoft. Corporate hell by day, awesome retro gaming by night.
     
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  7. MUTMAN

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    So the opposite of me :D
     
  8. Phido

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    Pretty much the whole retro scene is like this.

    People who were playing with their C64 or mame as a kid, are now stuck in corporate middle management in Tech. Almost all of these projects are not commercially viable, they are done for love. The c64 Mario was given away free. People love the freedom (intellectual) and the restrictions (technical) that existed back then. Unlike now where the restrictions are all intellectual and the hardware is basically unlimited.

    I find it hilarious that Nintendo squashed this. They just gave this all the free publicity this project needed! Are they really worried about C64 ports or imitations? Will sony slap down a C64 GrandTurismo imitation as it might affect PS5 sales? Is Nintendo afraid it would steal mini NES sales? That is hilarious. Any one want to gut a switch and put c64 emulator inside?

    I am loving the C64 revival. So many projects both hardware and software. Retro news sites can barely keep up. Great projects too, stuff people have been putting years into. Its such a quirky platform too, nothing makes sense. The CPU was slow, even for its introduction. Its sound hardware is totally alien. The sprites allow it to do crazy things. Its I/O is all flawed bit banging bodge jobs, disk drives and tape drives are hilariously both custom and madness. The user guide included schematics and assembly as well as beginning basic. The Basic interpreter was ancient because commodore got it basically for free from Microsoft, and doesn't support drawing or sound through commands. It is such a flawed beauty. Like an original VW Beetle or Mini.
     
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  9. elvis

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    This exact line is how I answer 100% of the people who ask me why I don't start selling arcade machines as a business, and why I give them away to friends for free.

    And it's also why I want to see UBI become a real thing. Fuck the big corps, and fuck being a wage slave.

    It's a bit more complex than that. Protecting your IP is something you either go in 100% on, or not at all. And there's lots of legal precedent reasons why companies do. I don't blame Nintendo for that. I blame a bad legal/IP/copyright system around Nintendo for forcing them to do so.
     
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  10. gdjacobs

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    I think we really need to find better ways of rewarding creativity, innovation, and artistic expression. Depending on the largess of your local oligarchs for whatever chicken feed they decide to throw to us pigeons doesn't strike me as a particularly healthy approach.
     
  11. elvis

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    Will never happen as long as US-style late capitalism is everyone's goal. Post WWII and Pre 1980s Wall Street era, most things were relatively sane. But the explosion of the mega corps has resulted in mega money, mega greed, and mega corruption.

    Humans were designed for small scale. Small villages, small communities, small circles of thought, small amounts of money. Large scale anything turns us into monsters, and the result is we lose our humanity, our compassion, our art, and our souls. We just can't handle the size the world is right now.

    UBI puts mega corps on notice. It lets people take a chance and break free from the threat of poverty to do something more interesting than just raise the shareprice and market cap of giant corporates that are already well beyond what can sensibly be described as "need".

    And the biggest threat to UBI *are* the mega corps. They fund the vast majority of the lobby groups, and they in turn control the governments. The average person is mostly ignorant, and still falls for "bread and circuses" (which in 2019 looks like Uber Eats and reality TV). So caring about that as a thing to vote for is so low on most people's list that it'll likely not happen in our lifetime. The only hope is for capitalist greed to go so far that it replaces all of its workforce with cheaper robots, and by doing so sends the world unemployed, broke, and without money to buy the things the mega corps are pedalling. It's all got to collapse in a giant heap before it can solve itself.

    But, none of that has anything to do with 8 bit computers. So, I'll leave my political ranting there, and move on to far more pleasant things again. Old computers are my "circuses".
     
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    don't buy mass produced if a bespoke local version is available, restrict your consumerism, and value you posession.
     
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    I knew Nintendo would shit can Super Mario Brothers on the C64, hence the reason I jumped straight on it! Oh well, cat's out of the bag now, you can't take back the ring of a bell.

    On another note, I upgraded my 1541 Ultinate II+ yesterday. Very impressive! A host of improvements including the ability to load images into the REU on boot - A totally recommended upgrade to anyone with a 1541 UII+.

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    It would be nice to have the freedom. If I didn't have to do my day job, I would focus on my more productive hobbies like programming. I will never make anything commercial, that isn't my goal even if I make something playable (which is rare, mostly I play in mathematics). If I retired, that would probably become my focus.

    Pretty low range target. This isn't someone copying their controller, its a interpretation of what SM would look like on the C64. Its not like they have reversed engineered Mario, that just wouldn't work. But yeh, I can see how they are put in the situation where they have to act. Like I said, in this case, no problem, the project is finished and has already been distributed. It will no doubt circulate, particularly with this added press.
     
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    Lawyers, not engineers/programmers.

    Worth reading/watching anything that features a guy by the name of "The Video Game Attorney". He sheds a lot of valuable light on why the US (and worldwide) IP/copyright system is the way it is today.
     
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    They should replace Mario with Sonic for shits and giggles.
     
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    We're enjoying unprecedented levels of peace, so I'd say we're handling things pretty well and technology created by large corps has a lot to do with that.

    https://slides.ourworldindata.org/war-and-violence/#/15

    Remember now, we're talking about a port of a retro computer game here!
     
  18. elvis

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    Homebrew cross-platform remake of a Chinese pirate ROM of a Nintendo property.

    I laugh every time MAME add a new "ROM set" which is literally one of those Pandora emulator sets which is itself MAME running ROMs. The recursion is just silly.

    Sure, as long as unemployment sits under 10%. I wonder what will happen when that crawls up to 20%? How about 50%? Company profits get bigger, number of staff get smaller. Making more money with fewer people, and fewer new jobs to replace old jobs courtesy of mass automation.

    Remember, I said I was all for 1950-1985 capitalism. Most things were peachy then. We're only seeing the long term side effects of mass corporate greed now. Consider that right now there are people (and mostly people working for a large company) campaigning in Australia to adopt a US-style, 100% privatised "user/employer pays" healthcare system. Capitalism isn't black and white, and has its fair share of good and bad parts. Evened out with a splash of Socialism, it works pretty well. Pushed to an extreme, it's a problem, like all extremes (whether they are economic systems, religious systems, or anything else).

    Also, let's chat in 2045.
     
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  19. flu!d

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    We're being conditioned and brainwashed. Loosing rights while the right wing tell us it's all in an attempt to fight terrorism. Quite concerning really, especially considering it's all happened before and millions lost their lives.

    All because of the United States of Stupid.
     
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    Corporate profits would increase in the short term. Without wealth in the population to sustain markets, the economic system will contract to a bare minimum surrounding essential goods and services with a small amount catering to capital holders. Whether business strategists and ownership can grasp this reality is another question.

    To a certain extent, every time a tribute work like SMB C64 is shut down or fair use is attacked by rights holders issuing takedown notices or revenue claims against gameplay videos on Youtube, a little more poison is added to the well. I feel it's important for everyone to have a broad view commensurate with their influence on the wider world. For large and noteworthy corporations, that perspective has to be very broad indeed, certainly more broad than the bottom line on the quarterly report or they run the risk of damaging themselves and their market.
     
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