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The C64 (and other 8-bit Commodore machines) thread.

Discussion in 'Retro & Arcade' started by lupin, Nov 8, 2014.

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What 8-bit Commodore machines do you have in your collection?

  1. Commodore KIM-1

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  2. Commodore PET/CBM

    3 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. Commodore CBM-II (B128/B256/128-80/256-80/500/600/610/700)

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  4. Commodore MAX

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Commodore VIC-20

    14 vote(s)
    13.7%
  6. Commodore 64 (The older brown fat model known as the "Breadbin")

    48 vote(s)
    47.1%
  7. Commodore 64C (The newer beige slim model)

    47 vote(s)
    46.1%
  8. Commodore 64GS

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  9. Commodore SX-64

    6 vote(s)
    5.9%
  10. Commodore Educator 64

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Commodore 16

    4 vote(s)
    3.9%
  12. Commodore 116 (Cost-reduced version of the C16 sold only in Europe)

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  13. Commodore Plus/4

    7 vote(s)
    6.9%
  14. Commodore 128

    10 vote(s)
    9.8%
  15. Commodore 128D

    9 vote(s)
    8.8%
  16. Commodore 128DCR (Cost-reduced and bug-corrected version of the C128D)

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  17. Commodore Prototype/Unreleased (C65/C900/LCD/Other)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  18. Commodore Emulator - I don't have real Commodore 8-bit machines anymore :(

    19 vote(s)
    18.6%
  19. Commodore Emulator - I've never seen/owned real Commodore 8-bit machines, but wish I did!

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  20. Commodore Remake - FPGA or similar modern day implementation

    3 vote(s)
    2.9%
  21. Commodore Candy - I thought Commodore was a car model...?

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Well...

    I've spent some time on this and it's far from straightforward, to say the least. I installed SoX and converted a .WAV file to 8SVX and it didn't work, however it was an 8bit WAV file, I might try 16bit as apparently that works. The SoX instructions are, convoluted to say the least - I can find the command for compression factor, but I can't find the entry telling me how to use it (it states 'See the description of the file formats that use this option in soxformat(7) for more information' but I can't find the soxformat option.

    Still working on it. I'm wondering if the fact I'm using virtual SID's using address sniffing might have something to do with the noise during playback. I think I'll make a lead to use the real SID.
     
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  2. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Well...

    I managed to track down the author of the Limon REU player software and asked him just how the hell he managed to rip an MP3 to 8SVX Amiga IFF format, so after all that I finally managed to find the right software package and convert my audio file. While I was at it, I questioned him on the 44Hz WAV buzzing, he told me it's due to the FF/REW function and he might remove it in a future version - I'm gently pushing for him to do so as the quality is really impressive, I've offered to be a beta tester if he needs help.

    I don't know how long this video will last, I think the copyright owner is sad about a 30yo track being played back on a 30yo computer and not in it's entirety - Bloody ridiculous.

     
  3. MUTMAN

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    I'll be joining the real hardware club here shortly
    thanks badmofo
     
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  4. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Welcome my friend. Looking forward to some new adventures!
     
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  5. MUTMAN

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    I'm just a short 38 years late to the party :)
    I had a 'bee in 83 but all the good games were on the C64 and while I can play all of them on MiSTer I wanted the tangible physical interaction for this :)
    I've ordered a retrotink video converter and I'll need to convert a joystick to D9
    But just looking forward to having one on the desk :)
     
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  6. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    While it might stretch the budget, I cannot recommend the 1541 Ultimate II+ enough, it really is the Swiss army knife of C64 peripherals that transforms the machine.

    I also have an SD2IEC, but that's more of a modern CMD-HD HDD implementation, I use that for mass storage. The 1541 UII+ is cycle accurate dual 1541's with the ability to configure custom ROM's, drive ram upgrades, improved sound implementations and so much more.

    I'm looking forward to another C64 user on the OCAU forums! Love my C64's.
     
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  7. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    I've been speaking to the author of the Limon REU audio player, he's planning on an updated release focused even more on sound quality, it should sound amazing.
     
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  8. MUTMAN

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    The C64 comes with a non plus model
    I haven't even begun to look into this part yet ...
     
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  9. qwertylesh

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    the 1541 loaders are essential for good user experience on original commodore hardware for these days.

    infact I need to get one for my spare C64, because using the real original disk drive is a pain in the ass compared to my ultimate c64 unit.
     
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  10. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    You might find an Ultimate II second hand, but you can't buy them brand new anymore. The Ultimate II is still a very capable device, it actually uses a slighter faster FPGA than the II+ but has less flash memory - I don't know how much longer it's going to be supported in relation to firmware updates for this reason as I think it's starting to reach it's limits.

    But if you can find one for a good price, go for it.
     
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  11. qwertylesh

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    luckily the 1541 Ultimate II+ is still for sale via gideons site
     
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  12. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Gideon is awesome, his support is fantastic.
     
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  13. MUTMAN

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    I'm not even going to search (yet)

    OK, i searched :)
    my visa card says damn you all
     
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  14. qwertylesh

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    hahaha, and here i am scouring ebay going 'hmm should i get a final cartridge and sd2iec or an ultimate II+'

    oh dear we've fallen down the rabbit hole again :D

    Mutman theres nunchuk64's in england that'l let you use snes mini controls on your new c64 btw ;)
     
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  15. flu!d

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    With the Ultimate II+ you get the Final Cartridge III and many more cartridges included, as well as the awesome 16MB REU.
     
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  16. qwertylesh

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    Its better than the pi1541 too yeah?
     
  17. badmofo

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    Both the Ultimate II and the II+ are awesome - sometimes I think I like it more than the C64 itself :lol:

    I've owned both (UII on it's way to MUTMAN) and both covered everything I wanted to do and more - custom ROMs for JiffyDOS, emulates all the good carts, SID player, and of course perfect 1541 emulation with USB support. They can do networking but I've not bothered with that, work with a C128, give you a handy C64 reset button - they even emulate the loading sounds of a 1541!
     
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  18. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    The UII/UII+ are both heaps better than the Pi1541 as the Ultimate series of cartridges are so much more than just emulated drives.

    Networking support with the latest firmware's is fantastic. I use my C64 to connect to BBS's a lot using UltiTerm 2.4 and the speeds via Ethernet are fantastic. The FTP feature is also handy, I just drag and drop files to my C64 from my PC.
     
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  19. GumbyNoTalent

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    Sorry I just got a chubby when I saw 1084S in working order... the world was much more fun when we lived with different shades of beige.
     
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  20. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    I have rebuilt and tweaked that 1084S to perfection, it works so well with separately shielded chroma and luma from the C64 - And it was bought originally from an OCAU member!
     
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