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The C64 (and other 8-bit Commodore machines) thread.

Discussion in 'Retro & Arcade' started by lupin, Nov 8, 2014.

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What 8-bit Commodore machines do you have in your collection?

  1. Commodore KIM-1

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  2. Commodore PET/CBM

    3 vote(s)
    3.0%
  3. Commodore CBM-II (B128/B256/128-80/256-80/500/600/610/700)

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  4. Commodore MAX

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Commodore VIC-20

    14 vote(s)
    14.0%
  6. Commodore 64 (The older brown fat model known as the "Breadbin")

    47 vote(s)
    47.0%
  7. Commodore 64C (The newer beige slim model)

    45 vote(s)
    45.0%
  8. Commodore 64GS

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  9. Commodore SX-64

    6 vote(s)
    6.0%
  10. Commodore Educator 64

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Commodore 16

    4 vote(s)
    4.0%
  12. Commodore 116 (Cost-reduced version of the C16 sold only in Europe)

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  13. Commodore Plus/4

    7 vote(s)
    7.0%
  14. Commodore 128

    10 vote(s)
    10.0%
  15. Commodore 128D

    9 vote(s)
    9.0%
  16. Commodore 128DCR (Cost-reduced and bug-corrected version of the C128D)

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  17. Commodore Prototype/Unreleased (C65/C900/LCD/Other)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  18. Commodore Emulator - I don't have real Commodore 8-bit machines anymore :(

    19 vote(s)
    19.0%
  19. Commodore Emulator - I've never seen/owned real Commodore 8-bit machines, but wish I did!

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  20. Commodore Remake - FPGA or similar modern day implementation

    3 vote(s)
    3.0%
  21. Commodore Candy - I thought Commodore was a car model...?

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MUTMAN

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    I'd never have guessed ...


    :lol::lol:

    Thanks for the mini lesson. once i get this new PSU and 'some' time I'll be exploring the C64 a lot more
    Your (and others here) posts really help. cheers
    :thumbup::thumbup:
     
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  2. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    I also love my 8bit Atari 600XL, it's a shame the Atari community are a bunch of cocksmacks with a severely large chip on their shoulder.

    Well, some in the community are worthy of respect, but the bulk are just cocksmacks.
     
  3. MUTMAN

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    a lovely aussie designed and built Z80 was my cup of tea back in the day, sadly the microbee community is tiny and seem .. reluctant to entertain anyone outside of their own clicky group.
    doesnt matter now, theres no way i can justify the $$$ required to get some skin in that game.

    doesnt matter, the C64 was THE machine to own in 83. so im happy to have joined the party a mere 38 years late :)
     
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  4. Vanne

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    The c64 was the machine to own back then, all my mates had one.. wecolme to the club Mut. You’ll love it. I do however suggest you grab a nice joystick, you’ll need it.
     
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  5. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    I've always been curious regarding the Microbee, don't put ideas in my head, I have an expensive engine to finish before I buy more retro gear!

    You're both right, there's a reason why the C64 was the most developed machine and therefore the machine to have in the day, and that's because Commodore didn't get an Apple II and an Atari 800 and make a worse machine - Essentially they literally combined the best of both and made an awesome machine.

    Not only did the C64 have the Apple II's interleaved bus, it also had dedicated graphics and sound like the A8 with a dedicated hardware sprite engine, better graphics, seperate colour memory on its own bus direct to the VIC-II and DMA only when needed - Unlike ANTIC which just steals clock cycles continuously. Furthermore, you could bank out the kernel and Basic leaving only IO for almost the full 64k of ram, and DOS was stored in the floppy drive as not to hog system memory - It was all these things combined that made the C64 a winning formula, able to achieve in 64k what many other machines couldn't do with 128k.

    The low price due to Commodore owning MOS technologies also helped. ;)
     
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  6. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Another thing, with the latest 1541 Ultimate II firmware you can run a full 16MB ramdisk using RamDOS II.
     
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  7. Vanne

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    All very true, just a shame that the c128 was such a flop. I would have loved to see a few more games actually push the 128. I absolutely love the form factor of the 128D, by far my fave and reminds me a lot of the A1000. At any rate, I should have a play around with that new 64 I got a few months back, haven't even plugged it in yet...
     
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  8. Phido

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    I always thought growing up that the C128 was another huge community.

    So surprised as an adult that basically it was a waste land, made up of a few C64 ports and CP/M..
     
  9. MUTMAN

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    the PSU i ordered is still three weeks away
    :(
     
  10. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    The C128 was never going to shake the C64 from the tree, no matter how good it was (and CP/M compatibility was about ten years too late). Everyone I knew that had a C128 used GO64 mode.

    Having said that, I'd love a C128 DCR with the steel case and more vram. Anyone got a spare $1500.00 they could loan me?
     
  11. Phido

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    C64 was kind of perfect in its way, and had two clearly popular periods, the early 80's as a mainstream home computer. Then again in the later 80's as games platform (and home PC). And it didn't break compatibility though those periods its fundamentally the same.

    I knew no one with a C128. I only remember it being referenced on every C64 game as C64/C128.. I never saw one in a shop in OZ. That I remember at least.

    I imagine it would have been pretty good with GEOS. It would have also been nice with ANSI/ASCII terminal. I would like to own one, but at current prices, I won't be buying one.
     
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  12. Draxx

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    I recall my parents "upgrading" from C64 to C128, being mostly disappointed in it and moving straight to Amiga 500 :)
     
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  13. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    The best thing about GEOS was you could stick it on a ROM and stuff it in the C128. Wheels (GEOS like OS but better) looked pretty good on the C128. As for ANSI terminals, I don't know what was actually released in that regard for the C128's 80 column mode, like Draxx I jumped straight to Amiga and ANSI worked perfectly on the Amiga via a number of terminal clients.

    These days on the C64 you can pretty much stuff GEOS on a cart and have all the benefits the C128 had, so the ability to boot GEOS from internal ROM is pretty much moot now.
     
  14. Phido

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    Yeh, IMO the C64 with an Ultimate II+ is pretty much all you ever need. Back in the day I don't think I ever saw a real ram expander for the C64.

    Amiga was a mind blowingly more advanced machine. The A500 very quickly was a much better option. It is loads faster than a C128, at what, nearly 10 times faster. More importantly had graphics and sound far superior and could use that in all modes.
     
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  15. Franc

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    Anyone else pre-orderd the A500 Mini?
     
  16. Phido

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    I just found out about it.

    But should I hold out for a Fullsize Amiga?
    I regret not buying a C64maxi.
     
  17. MUTMAN

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    me too, but now i have a genuine C64 so I'm all good again :)
     
  18. Franc

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    I love my maxi so yes. Ill probably buy both tbh
     
  19. Phido

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    I have a genuine C64. And a genuine A500.

    Ok, I just broke down and bought a C64maxi.
     
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    VIC-20 and 64C. Good times!

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