The Great Big NBN Sticky Thread

Discussion in 'Networking, Telephony & Internet' started by Akh-Horus, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. caspian

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    scips - ring your ISP, mate. nothing happening tomorrow.
     
  2. supasaiyan

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    i'm trying to get his order case managed so he doesn't have to keep calling.. someone should be giving him a call today
     
  3. caspian

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    I'm not from the activations area, but I wonder if it would be worth cancelling the order and a raising a new one. without the unjustified accelerated lead time time time.
     
  4. SupremeMoFo

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    Thanks, Captain Obvious. But I have seen a CVC maxed out for 16hrs straight thanks to iiNet fuck-ups, so it can happen - but usually only on weekends or public holidays.
     
  5. caspian

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    maybe... anyone hanging off this one is going to be having a pretty lousy experience most of the time. that's not an error, that's the ISP cheaping out on bandwidth.


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    I got an email from iiNet today telling me that the NBN is coming to my area. I replied "So's Christmas" :D

    I did still click on the 'call me when it's ready' button in the email....
     
  7. ir0nhide

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    Looks about right
     
  8. caspian

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    looks tragic to me in terms of end user experience. huge clipping going on.
     
  9. mareke

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    I take it that the peak periods in the graph is where CVC utilisation nears 100% and this coincides with when most people are online and speeds are slowest. If my reading of the graph is right that's no different from what I get now with ADSL2.
     
  10. caspian

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    for half of every 24 hour period? get a better provider, dude. that shit's not right.

    I can accept some peak hour slowdowns but the degree of packet loss from bursting above PIR in those graphs would amount to about 50% throughput deterioration for the users, for many hours.

    think of fortnight-before-christmas shopping centre crush being the normal experience. or rush hour on the freeway being there all the time.

    nobody designs consumer grade networks to deliver 100% during peak periods, for the simple reasons that consumers won't pay for it, and it's not necessary. but I deliberately selected that example of a black hole experience.
     
  11. mareke

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    Would the same problem occur with FTTP? I'm guessing it could still occur but the drop off at peak congestion times wouldn't be as noticeable.
     
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    It would be exactly the same. The bottleneck is in exactly the same place
     
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    True but with FTTP everyone would have the same solid speed regardless of distance from the node so the drop off at peak congestion times probably wouldn't be as noticeable. If you are on a 100/40 plan and are getting close to 100/40 a drop of 40% at peak times wouldn't annoy you as much as a drop of 40% when you are 2 km from the pillar on FTTN!
     
  14. caspian

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    that is an incorrect assumption. Quadbox is quite correct.

    if the upstream bandwidth becomes the primary restriction to your throughput then it is not relevant how fast your local access link can go. your total bandwidth is not a function of the peak speed you can access. it's a function of the bottleneck only. in fact, if your local access link speed is lower, then congestion based variations in throughput are *less* apparent!

    it doesn't matter if you have a Ferrari or a Camry, or whether your driveway is paved or gravel. if the highway is congested then your experience is crap regardless.
     
  15. mareke

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    So the 'solution' is for the ISP to buy more CVC, put up its prices to cover the extra cost and watch customers move to other cheaper ISPs because they see them as better value. To get around that the government could mandate a minimum mandatory CVC to customer base ratio for all ISPs but that is unlikely to happen because we have a free enterprise market based economy rather than a socialist one.
     
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    Nothing today :(
     
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    Sounds about right. (sorry, couldn't resist :lol:)

    Welcome to the bottom dollar, population: most of Australia.
     
  18. caspian

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    yep, precisely the same as every other industry does when its costs go up. that's how it works.

    and then complain about the crap service, be told it's congestion, and then sadly realise you get what you pay for, that paying less for a rubbish experience isn't worth it, and move back.

    it might take a while, but the sooner everyone realises that prices are going to go up, the better for all concerned. this is a "build your bridge" moment. everyone wants access to a shiny new high performance network with potential far in advance of what we have been complaining is not adequate for years. if we think that's going to somehow magically be available for the same price then there's a case of mass delusion going on.

    you are correct. it's not going to happen. government shouldn't try to mandate every factor potentially affecting our lives, and stick to ensuring we have choice.
     
  19. Thrawn

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    Mass delusion propagated by pro-NBN proponents (especially in the early years) and the government(s)

    A few of us actually read the NBN business plan and knew this was going to happen (including Malcolm Turnbull himself back when he was in the opposition !!)
     
  20. caspian

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    I didn't bother to read it at the time, and still haven't. common sense alone should dictate that tens of billions of dollars of new network equipment versus gear that's nearly old enough to vote in some cases would result in a considerable jump in depreciation driven costs.
     

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