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Discussion in 'Networking, Telephony & Internet' started by Akh-Horus, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. caspian

    caspian Member

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    there isn't a hill in the first place.

    the NBN as a concept may be political, but as an operational entity it's just a private business whose employees do what their owner says, the same as for any business. so rubbish about "apparatchiks needing to be fired" is inaccurate and a function of misunderstanding.
     
  2. Tinian

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    Labor will also keep the NBN in public hands, keeping internet costs for families affordable while ensuring improvements to the network. ​

    I hope they have some quick internal discussion then regarding NBNCo's idea of affordable:
    NBN Co wants to lock in price rises until 2040, and double the price of entry-tier plans over the next decade, as part of a redacted submission published by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) on Monday.

    NBN‘s submission, known as the Special Access Undertaking (SAU), is set to provoke an angry response from telcos, and from many consumers who are facing cost of living pressures amid higher interest rates and rising inflation.

    “It is difficult to forecast exactly how quickly and by how much the maximum allowable cost to retailers to access the entry level speed tier would increase over the remainder of the SAU term should the SAU variation be accepted,” the ACCC wrote in a paper published on Monday.

    “Applying NBN Co’s current forecasts the maximum allowable cost to retailers to acquire the entry level speed tier would double by around 2033 and continue to increase towards $104 per month in nominal terms by 2040.”
    - https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bu...e/news-story/713cd2f1458ba6d28ba7b34e30fbac67
     
  3. sammy_b0i

    sammy_b0i Laugh it up, fuzzball!

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    Had my third nbnco tech visit last week as we were still having frequent dropouts.

    The first visit re-did the area where the line comes into the property, removed all extra outlets from the main socket inside the property, and then made a wiring change at the node.
    The second visit re-re-did the first tech's work at the node as they stated they didn't solder the change, instead, just wrapping it around the peg/leg.
    The third visit apparently did something up on the pole in the backyard, and then on the side of the house. I wasn't here for it, but I'm under the assumption that they swapped the line from the pole to the house, to the existing/old second line that was ran already, instead of replacing the first if it had problems (because the lines are still twisted around each other the same way they were before).

    So far so good. Haven't had a drop out since.
     
  4. rireland

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    That price creep on low speeds seems pretty scummy considering people were forced onto it. Guess the plan is to syphon extra funds from all those wealthy grandparents.
     
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  5. evilasdeath

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    Sounds like mine, FTTC freqent droupouts

    1st Visit remove the bridge tap that NBN installed in my lead-in pit dropouts continued
    2nd Visit replaced my lead-in cable into another conduit that i already had, old one was crushed and blocked, dropouts continued
    3rd visit replaced the first connection directly after the DPU, when he pulled it out of the pit he showed me that it was done poorly, the wires were hanging out of the mini joint.

    Whats annoying is 1 and 3 were NBN created problems, 2nd was existing but looks like it wasn't the issue but was the next course of action because the join in the first pit was brand new.
     
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  6. CQGLHyperion

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    I am following the WTF Technicians page on facebook. It is mostly American with some Canadian techs. You can see the massive difference between the good techs and those that just do what is required to get the job done.

    I see little difference between contracted NBN techs and contracted Aus Post parcel delivery in that some take pride, but a lot do the bare minimum for the crappy money they are getting paid. I can even see it with some of the contractors at work, but a lot of that is being pushed by the parent company and not always how they feel.

    Anyway the house move (FTTN to FTTN) was quite seamless to the point I had NBN at both houses for several days which was nice. Phone call to internode, set the date, and it all happened. Now that is something that I like about how the NBN is set up.

    New development is being done just around the corner (new as in last part of the area that had no housing) so it will be interesting to see what they end up getting for a service.
     
  7. caspian

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    one of the many curses of outsourcing, especially when the tech actually doing the work gets a tiny fraction of what the primary subcontractor is being paid to get it done.

    only senior business management persist with the mistaken belief that outsourcing is anything more than a perpetual dumpster fire.
     
  8. callan

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    How soon we forget. The waiting for a DSLAM to become available at your exchange. Being forced to use a specific ISP you hated, just because they were the only ones with available DSLAMS. Being stuck with the same phone provider as ISP because - well that's just how it worked.

    I'm old enough to remember the PMG (For those younglings in the audience, the telephone system was run under the Postmaster General's office) and, later Telecom. There WAS no other choice. $40 in 1970's money per month just for the line rental. Timed call charges when ringing across town. Truly primitive times.

    No, not all of the NBN setup is bad. It's mostly just the MTM that's a nightmare - that, and perhaps CVC, but even I can see a sort of logic in CVC, even if its applicability is predicated on a situation that will wane in relevance over time, if it hasn't already.
     
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  9. caspian

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    CVC pricing will go away sometime soon anyway. although I am less sure that people understand what that means - it doesn't mean the cost will vanish.
     
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  10. CQGLHyperion

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    Oh I remember very clearly. The emphasis my parents put on us as children about phone usage was huge. I remember at Christmas times that the trunks became full and we couldn't get through to Sydney to talk to rellies. Long distance phone calls were expensive and thus short.

    From public phones we would call home and let it ring a few times then hang up so they would know we were ready to come home from work. The next big thing was those phone cards that gave a cheaper rate for STD calls, but then you had to dial an additional 15 to 20 digits at the start to get it to work! I even had to pay for all the local dial-up modem calls I made. ADSL was a god send! Mobile phone were expensive and the $12 / month + usage plans were gold! Churning with ADSL GOLD!
     
  11. sammy_b0i

    sammy_b0i Laugh it up, fuzzball!

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    Right, so took advantage of an offer to switch from MATE to Superloop. Was getting sick of the peak congestion with MATE's Vocus backhaul. Nice and easy switch and I've got to tell you I really feel like I've hit the jackpot when it comes to FTTN lines, considering the copper.

    This is a 100/20 connection.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Audionut

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    Love when old timers talk about ADSL in an NBN discussion. 150 years ago it was all horseback, however, the escort was still a shitbox, even if it was quicker than a horse.

    Hopefully, the change in government will bring about a budget write-off of the clusterfuck that's been implemented over the last 9 years, or whatever it's been. That and firing a few apparatchiks, should reduce the pricing pressure for everyone, and return focus to an effective network, now and in the future.
     
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  13. callan

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    Hehe - how far back do you want to go?. My first modem ran at 300BAUD, and my first Internet connection was non-real-time 2400baud UUCP link:D
     
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    Was just reading about this, I can't see Labor accepting this, purely from the fact it'll put pressure on the lowest income Australians. I imagine NBN realise that too, it's probably a bit of butt covering to balance their books. If the government doesn't like it they can pay off the debt or subsidise cheaper plans.

    Otherwise they could have just recommended ramping up corporate costs and the more expensive plans and there would have been much less noise. But this makes it a political issue.
     
  16. Tinian

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    My preference is to subsume NBN Co. onto the public finances. After all, we're already a bajillion dollars in debt. That way we could build out existing suburbs on FTTN and provide cheap, high speed internet to Australians.
     
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  17. Quadbox

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    Not going to happen in the current climate, though. A bloody big capex increase by the government would only pour oil on the fire at the moment. Through no fault of the incoming government
     
  18. jpw007

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    caspian I'm looking at a place and trying to suss out internet options. When i check NBN it says planning to release info on connection soon (or something to that effect) but ABB website shows i can use Opticomm (never heard of them before)....Would you be able to advise what the go NBN wise is if I PM you the address?
     
  19. Caffeine

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    My in-laws were on opticomm for a while, but gave it in for a 4g dongle because the 1 cable leading in to their region got cut 3 times in a short period, with it taking weeks, and in 1 case more than a month to be repaired.

    They worked out they had more time in outage than connected
     
  20. Audionut

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    I haven't heard many good things about Opticomm.
     

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