TikTok

Maxwell can set up a meeting , I know they're good friends

 

Hope Australia bans it also.

 

Everything will be fine once there is a new owner... won't someone please think of the children.



JSmith

 

you could literately label anything as a tik tok """""""""""""""""""""challenge"""""""""""""""""""""""". the dying tik tok challenge, the deleting tik tok challenge, the actually doing something with my life challenge. all of these would be nice. tik tokkers have a level of IQ lower than a potato also anyone that has two followers (being them and their mum) could be labeled as a "micro-celebrity" (definition) anyone that thinks they have some worth but are just something people with lives, laugh at.

needless to say, tiktok can go eat a toaster

early tiktok was really bad and i mean really really bad, to the point where i lost brain cells even hearing about it. my cousins are addicted to the shit thats on this app, you can see the attention loss from the younger one (15) where he'll buy a game that takes some level of skill and dump it with in a few hours of playing it.

i play a fair bit of retro games, like: mario 1, 2, 3 and soon to be world, battletoads, battletoads and double dragon, contra, bubble bobble and excite bike. my cousins hate anything that takes some level of skill to do and they get angry at everything and are allways on their new iphone 11 sx max pro light red edition pieces of rubbish!

needless to say this isnt all tiktok but phones and the latest and greatest is the only thing some people these days care about.

 

An American guy live streamed his suicide by shotgun on Facebook, and trolls have been re-uploading it to TikTok in bait and switch videos.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ttles-to-remove-video-of-livestreamed-suicide

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...t/news-story/1dea8b68b23fcbdc5134e4725a607bd5

 

Nothing new, this sort of stuff has been happening since the dawn of Facebook.

 

Kids killing themselves due to social media pressures? ... or the ol’ bait and switch trick-a-roo vids?

 

Both.

 

That's pretty sad, and actually, it is something new, and being cavalier about it is nothing to be proud about.
Live-streaming should not be allowed in general except for creators who've established reputability - same as tv.

 

both

No it isn't. The only thing new is everybody is making a fuss about everything nowadays which for somethings like this is good, because people should have done it 10+ years ago when social media sites came out.

If you think something like this is new, sorry you must have been living underneath a rock for the past decade.

 

How do you establish reputability as a streamer without streaming? (also plenty of 'reputable' figures on tv have done reprehensible shit, mental illness aside)

That said, fuck tiktok

 

I had this discussion elsewhere several times this week. We keep hearing about all the evils of social media, and we keep saying how terrible it is and how there "should be rules" comparing it to "the old days" where broadcasting video wasn't commodity.

History tells us that the commodification of technology never goes backwards, and the only way forwards is for us to change and adapt. The combination of the printing press and a massive upsurge in literacy eventuated in massive schisms in Christianity once the Roman Catholic church no longer controlled the flow of information, and others could mass produce and distribute alternative ideas. Once done, this could never be undone. History is worth studying for these lessons.

We cannot control social media. Understand what I am and am not saying here. I *am not* saying "we shouldn't", or that it's somehow amoral or immoral for us to try. I'm saying there is no way for us to control this tsunami. We have (perhaps willingly, perhaps not) attached a megaphone direct from the mouths, fingertips and minds of millions of people directly into the screens of almost one half of the human race. It was fairly obvious where this would end up. The world is a highly diverse mix of people, and with that comes both the good and the bad. So for every wonderful person spreading ideas worth learning, there's an equal and opposite terrible person spreading the worst ideas and imagery imaginable. More to the point, we absolutely cannot control that, because we have no mechanism to control that.

The Internet provides a level of anonymity to start with. There's no way to verify and police identity. In the real world people don't do bad things either via an internal moral compass or to avoid punishment (and even then, plenty do the wrong thing anyway). There's almost no punishment on the Internet on top of no way to verify identity. Beyond that, access to uploading information is so trivial, and so commonplace, that you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube any more. "Same as TV" is a pipe dream now, when TV was a highly controlled commodity that required expensive and complex technology, and access to the Internet is now literally up for being considered a basic human right that requires less than a $100 investment in hardware.

It's also an arms race of sorts for the platform holders themselves. With no borders to control information flow (yet real borders to stop real police), information can go everywhere instantly. And if your platform puts rules in place, the people move to another. No stock-market listed company is going to worsen their platform by making stricter rules, because the almighty shareholder will get upset, and capitalism doesn't tolerate that.

We need a better way to solve this problem than "control uploads". Simply because we cannot control uploads, and wishing upon a star won't make that happen.

I have no idea what that solution is. And as the father of three teenage kids, I'm terrified of what the future holds for them. My only weapon from here out is open and honest communication with my kids, and forcing them to destroy their own innocence much earlier than I had to in the name of objective awareness and education. They need to learn a lot of adult concepts long before adulthood just to survive the minefield that is the greater Internet, but right now that's a better alternative than turning into some of the incredibly anti-social people they're already seeing in their own classes at school, who clearly have been brought up by parents who clearly don't give a shit (or are too stupid to understand), and a pretty shitty Internet that was willing to do the parenting in their place.

But I repeat, controlling this is pipe dream at this point. We already missed that boat.

 

Right. If i had kids of my own there would be limited use of social media as a general rule. I've seen this video, it's obviously quite unsavory and not something you would want your kids to see. This isn't the first and won't be the last time this sort of content gets shared and ends up going viral. You can't stop it. My other concern is how desensitised children get to horrendous graphic violence and what are the longer term effects of this now we have a camera at every single horrific scene or instances like these live streamed.

 

Which prevents them accessing it under your roof, and only there.

Every kid at school has a phone. Every visit to another kid's house has Internet. Your child is raised by a village, whether you want them to be or not.

Predictably, folks without kids are the first ones to tell you how easy it is to monitor and control kids. And then years later at social events annoyingly tell you how difficult parenting is like they were the first to discover the fact. The really fun ones are the types to tell off teachers for being too harsh on their own kids, while simultaneously lamenting that teachers don't do enough to control everyone else's kids.

 

it should just be banned, my kids arent allowed on any social media, or even the internet other than kids netflix which is only marginally better than the shit on tv.

The shit they talk about at school is frightening, and other shit parrents that just give their children a phone, ipad, laptop and leave them to it is equally frightening, flicking through adult content, thats perpetuating this massive degradation of values, morals and realistic expectation. I overheard an 8year old girl saying she wants to be an influencer when she grows up... far out.

i generally refuse to vote because parties in my opinion are all as bad as each other but if someone said they would ban things like tik tok and put far stricter controls over the shit that is social media id actually bother leaving the house.

 

we as parents do have the ability to influence their peer group, both my kids think tik tok is utter shit which is great, none of their friends have phones either, nor are they allowed, as far as i know, unfettered access to the internet, as many parents have similar views.

 

In context, what's new is that previously you had to go searching for this stuff, whereas today it's being forced infront of the eyeballs of unwilling and unwitting victims.

Case in point: the "switch" videos where people don't know it's coming, or kids uploading it to group school video chats.

Yes, bad shit has been on the Internet for a long time. No, 10 years ago it didn't just jump infront of your face like it does today, courtesy of much more malicious user groups.

With 800 million users on TikTok right now (more than double the population of the US, more than 30 times the population of Australia), your "influence" is paltry at best. And that's only one way to share pictures and video on the Internet.

Tik Tok is a symptom, not a cause. There's dozens of other popular tools, and hundreds of more niche tools. Protecting your kids from Internet evils is much more than convincing them a single platform is rubbish.

 

Yes, pornography being the other societal influencing problem. Much more prevalent and more easily accessible for children these days. What the longer term effects.

 

I've rarely seen this work when it comes to a healthy parent/child relationship. Usually trying to control their peer group backfires horribly, even if it's not in your usual rebellious teenager tantrum.
Educating them and encouraging them to make smart decision - and why - while allowing them to make a choice has a much better outcome.

Obviously I'm not talking about people who are a direct danger to them.

I dunno, porn was pretty easy to access back in the 90s as well.

 

How old are they? I'm wondering if they are outside the peak tiktok age demographic.