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  1. l_ QuadX_l

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    Well, self-control is one solution. Did I watch the New Zealand massacre live stream? Nope. Have I watched the above mentioned TikTok suicide? Nope. Have I been bait-and-switched with such grotesque footage? No, at least not for a very, very long time, not since I was last Rick Rolled a decade ago.

    There's no "solution" as such, just a multitude of efforts that make internet usage a worthy experience for everyone.

    Well, the future can hold what-ever for them, so long as they've done their homework. And if they haven't done their homework, time to take their phones away. :p
     
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    I'm talking for humanity as a whole, not just me. I'm thinking a little bigger picture than that. See the comments above about attempting to hold back the tsunami. The phrase "pissing in the wind" comes to mind.

    Again, missing the point that controlling kids under your own roof is only a fraction of the challenge. I'm sure every parent here remembers a time when they accessed some sort of media they shouldn't have or partook in some event they shouldn't have while not under the watchful gaze of their own parents.

    Fascinating how quickly we forget what we got up to as kids, and think we can "control" our own kids.

    The problems documented in this thread (both technical and social) are not limited to Tik Tok.
     
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  5. CAPT-Irrelevant

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    I've always maintained objection to minors using social media.
     
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    Yeah, but what kind of porn? Obviously there was stuff available before the internet, but there was a paywall, and the rating of the material was fairly sedate by comparison. By exposing people to limitless porn, most people get jaded and seek a higher thrill, eventually leading them to dark arenas. I've seen that happen moreso with younger friends.
     
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    A wide array, I remember specifically octopuses up vaginas but I wouldn't call that 'sedate'
     
  8. elvis

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    SnapChat: 238 Million users
    Twitter: 330 Million users
    TikTok: 500 Million users
    Instagram: 1 Billion users
    Facebook: 1 Billion users

    Objecting to something is fine, but collectively we're doing nothing to stem the tide. Even whole governments appear utterly powerless against the might of social media.

    Hell, even social media COMPANIES appear powerless against the might of the combined forces of their shareholders and their clueless users.

    What's the plan from here, folks? We just keep posting one liner objections as anonymous users on tiny forums?
     
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    Social media is not new... nor is people wanting to share things and communicate. Even this platform is social media...



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  10. elvis

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    The difference is we've far exceeded Dunbar's number:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

    The hypothesis being that the magic 100-150 number is the total number of things humans can deal with. Whether that's tasks they need to remember, steps in their particular field of expertise, or in this case, what they consider their cohesive social group.

    That number arose from a long evolution of human socialisation. From small groups of 5-10 in our very distant past (100K years ago) to farming villages to neighbourhoods. But consider the exponential growth of how big our "communities" are today due to technology, compared to the time we've had to get used to it at an evolutionary level.

    There's no way a single person can deal with 10K people, let alone 100K, let alone millions or billions. And yet social media is that - tapping into these enormous networks that scale well past what our tiny minds can handle.

    So no, connecting with people isn't new. But connecting instantly with 7 orders of magnitude more than our brains can handle, and the negative side effects bordering on trauma that brings when the worst of that group push content into our faces that we never wanted to see in the first place, and we're in serious trouble.

    We, as a species, are not ready for this. Yet it's here, and it's not going away, whether we write it off as always existing (it hasn't), or that we personally object (which solves nothing). Right now it's a run away freight train, and nobody seems to have a plan on what to do with it - not even the people who created the tools in the first place.
     
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    I think if social media was forced to be linked to your personal identity. With one account for everyone, on all platforms. Then we might see more accountability and respect in what's being posted.

    The anonymity, millions of fake accounts and level of trolling and manipulation is what ruins the whole thing.
     
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    I agree and this is why I'm not on FB with 10000 "friends", or Insta, Twitter etc. and one reason I still prefer smaller community forums such as this. People need to grasp that and amend their own behaviour accordingly rather than relying on governments to do everything for them.
    Erm... no thanks. :Paranoid:



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    Exactly, its not about control, its about education and allowing the kids to make choices of their own but giving them options, and thats exactly where parents do have the ability to provide guidance. We go about our lives without tik tok, instagram, twitter or snapchat, my kids have alreay started to draw conclusions that their peers who are on those platforms all the time have very different values to their own which just helps reinforce a different value base.

    If you feel that the influence a mother and father (the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behaviour of someone or something, or the effect itself) can have on securely attached children is ever 'paltry' i feel sorry for you.
     
  14. elvis

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    That's not at all what you said. You said:
    Influencing your own children? Sure. Influencing your children's peer groups? Nope, you don't have a chance in hell.

    No disagreement from me that the best tools you can give your kids are a solid foundation at home, quality education across the entire gamut of life, and a trusting environment to both learn and fail safely.

    But once they're off on their own, even in the "protective" bounds of a school, they're on their own, and exposed to a raft of things people my age never even knew existed, because we (neither myself nor the other several hundred/thousand kids in our school) didn't have a screen attached to the biggest audio visual network in the world in our pockets.

    Beyond that, the "social media problem" is a planet scale problem. Even if your own kids don't come out of this traumatised from the bullshit out there, they're going to have to interact with people for the rest of their lives who are - people at school, people in the workplace, people in their social circles. Even if your kid never subscribes to a social media platform in their life, it's still going to affect them.

    This is "second hand smoking" on a planet-wide mental health scale.
     
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    You may be thinking of Legend of the Overfiend there :)
     
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    What I was meaning to suggest is that I feel socmed sites brought all of these dramas "upon themselves".

    Sure, we need to adapt to what we have now, but it becomes a debate of who the blame is on for letting "minors" be exposed.

    Anyway, that could perhaps be discussed elsewhere. Let's not bring SD/PP here.
     
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  17. elvis

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    How on Earth would you police that?

    And I do mean "on Earth", because this is a problem that spans international borders.

    Also, ironic username. Will you be the first to dox yourself?

    Blame doesn't solve anything though. As above, we have no way of policing this any more.

    Every discussion on social media ends the same: people saying how things were better before hand, and how "someone" should "force" change. But it's painfully clear nobody is able to put this toothpaste back in the tube.

    This is the new normal, and reversing it is impossible. We need better tools to deal with it than what we currently have.
     
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    So apparently Ronnies live suicide by shotgun, caving in half his head, was assessed and apparently "did not violate any community guidelines" :rolleyes:

    It's one thing to not be able to stop this sort of thing, it's another to condone it and become the arbitrator of community standards. You would be extremely hard pressed to find that many people who would suggest this broadcast did not violate community standards/guidelines for our current broadcasts. Facebook clearly has it's own quite different and low requirements for violation of community guidelines. But don't you dare put up a pair of tits! :rolleyes:

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/...l/news-story/13ab813e2e5a66a55806da06cafb7a5f

     
  19. RamboKazoo

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    I litterally got a 7 day FB ban for saying "stfu karen". But at least now i know, i can kill myself on stream on facebook and wont get banned, THANK GOD.
     
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