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VPN's - good-bad-which one to get

Discussion in 'General Software' started by glenpinn, Apr 19, 2020.

  1. glenpinn

    glenpinn Member

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    Hi everyone, i test drove the Opera browser today, i kind of like it, but i kind of don't, it seems to be a bit laggy compared to Firefox, at least for me, and download speeds seemed slower as well, but i did like the dark theme that i selected, a very different browser that needs a bit of getting used to, so i might keep it installed and give it a run for a few more days to see how it goes.

    Anyway, it has a free VPN which i took a look at (out of curiosity) however i then did some research and found that it was not exactly what most would call a real VPN, so i decided to do a google search for other VPN options to see what was out there, as well as the pricing for these more professional VPN's.

    Liking NordVPN as an option, or Surfshark and ExpressVPN

    Does anyone out there use one, and if so, which one have you got, and why do you use a VPN ?

    Cheers
     
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    Why do you want a VPN and what are you trying to achieve?
     
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    Sorry i should have said that i am more curious about them right now rather than actually wanting to get one, and maybe i should have asked why others use them as well as which one they use.

    Have included this now in my OP.
     
  4. doug81

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    PIA has been my go to for ages - easy to use, fast, cheap. Not doing anything overly taxing with it, but handy for using sites/services that are geo-limited when travelling...
     
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    What is it you like about PIA over others, as i didn't see this PIA come up during my searches for recommended VPN's.
     
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    Better privacy over most as they don't disclose data to gov't (or at least didn't when I last looked). Cheap - I got 2 years for like $80 or something like that. They've also got a lot of gateways in heaps of countries so you can get a decent connection with low latency (SYD/MEL/PER in Aus) and I've used it in Australia, Chile, Spain, France, Vietnam and Cambodia with no issues. Integrates easily with Chrome, and easy to use iphone & android app.
     
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    Thanks for that, do you know how it goes with Firefox, i tried Chrome and i don't like it, Opera i like (because it is very different to other browsers) but it seems to be laggy and/or buggy for some reason, and i always go back to Firefox.
     
  8. James086

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    I use NordVPN and have no complaints about speeds. Of course latency is higher but that's always going to happen. I use one because I don't like the metadata retention by my ISP.

    You can find specials from Youtubers all the time, often 60% off for longer plans.
     
  9. grrrr

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    glenpinn, VPNs are used for a variety of reasons please see some examples below:
    1. NordVPN etc are used to connect to someone else's network to use their internet connection anonymously, and or to appear in a different location (cheaper netflix).
    2. Remotely connecting to your work network to be able to work from home (access the work servers, print on the work printers etc).
    3. Remotely connecting to a customers industrial network so i can remotely do changes to their PLC etc (more work stuff)
    4. Remotely connecting to your home network to do stuff
    edit - Sorry forgot about the peeps that
    5. Connect to USA netflix to get all the shows...

    It really depends on what you want the VPN for. To just change your location for cheaper netflix, a day trial of ghost on your phone will achieve that. For torrents I don't know who to recommend, however you could also consider a seedbox.

    VPNs essentially provide a secure way of creating a blue ethernet cable through the internet. You just need to know where you want to plug the ends in and why.
     
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    I think in this day and age VPN's are becoming more of a necessity. Not just for geo-unlocking, but keeping some sense of privacy on your Internet travels.

    I use Surfshark myself with no issues. Based in the Virgin Islands (no logging), 1000+ servers around the world. I think it's about $70 odd bucks for 2 years atm.

    I find their PC and phone apps to be quite good. They have browser extensions too (for Firefox) if that's preferred.
     
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    Can’t help with that one - haven’t used Firefox for ages.

    Another one to consider is ProtonVPN if security is particularly sensitive, but you’ll have to see how it’ll work with your preferences...

     
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    Hey thanks a lot, as much as i think i know about internets and computing, and certain aspects of internet security, VPN's has always been there in my mind, basically to hide ones self from anyone knowing exactly where you are located, or those attempting to seek out your IP address and attempting to find out who you are.

    If i was to use a good VPN, what are the chances of anyone finding out my real IP address, and would my current service provider have any way of knowing that i am using a VPN.

    I like the sounds of NordVPN as well as the pricing, as well as PIA, and i will look at ProtonVPN as well as i did see that listed on several review sites along with NordVPN and several others.

    Oh, and i am not a torrent user, so i am not doing this for that, nor any other frowned upon activity either, too old for that shit, but 20 years ago it might have been a different story :D
     
  13. GumbyNoTalent

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    NB - if you use chrome and login to Google and have a android phone, Google knows where you are regardless of VPN or no VPN, some of this information is then available to 3rd parties via Oauth, same with Apple iEverything.

    Google API available information includes locale
    https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/oauth2/openid-connect

    Using chrome while logged into google services hides very little, and any server / website you go to can also request in HTTP headers locale (easy spoofed) https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-accept-lang-locales but Joe Citizen doesn't think about these.

    VPN will help circumvent IP geofencing and make it harder for Australian MetaData collection.

    PS - https://protonvpn.com/
     
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    It won't protect you from the 3 letter agencies if they're after you. Your ISP and the websites you connect to won't see your IP address but there are other ways of tracking for others. Your ISP would know you're using a VPN but they don't know what you're looking at. If they were determined they could probably figure out from the data pattern what you're doing (streaming would be a constant high bitrate, gaming a constant low bitrate, web browsing would be highly variable bitrates) but can't tell if you're watching Youtube, Netflix or Pornhub.

    Other entities can track you however, for example ads can track you across websites (the reason Google adsense shows you relevant ads on every website), Facebook does the same thing. Clearing cookies after leaving a site helps reduce this (browser addons can clear cookies automatically and even keep certain ones so that you remain logged in) but Google are tracking in quite advanced ways these days. Browser addons can reduce this too but I doubt we can stay ahead of Google.

    It's certainly not going to make you truly anonymous online, it's almost impossible these days. You'd probably need a burner device for that and not signing into any accounts. A VPN is a good defense against your ISP though.
     
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    GAFAM
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    removing the G
    https://github.com/nickspaargaren/no-google
    removing one of the As
    https://github.com/nickspaargaren/no-amazon

    https://github.com/topics/pihole-blocklists
     
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    One option to consider might be Mullvad. It uses numbered accounts rather than username/password (you could make a new one every month if you want to), has support for WireGuard and is based in Sweden with servers throughout the world. They're definitely geared towards privacy rather than removing geofences though, so worth bearing in mind if that's one of your reasons.
     
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    Thanks, i will add this to my short list mentioned in my previous post.

    I need to sit down and dedicate some time to researching more.
     
  18. Symon

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    I've been using Opera for some years now, I did the switch from Chrome due to Google's data collection practices. Haven't noticed any speed issues or buggy behaviour with it and I especially like the control layout. Under the hood it runs on Chromium so there should not be many webpage compatibility issues.

    For a VPN at home I started to use ProtonVPN a few years ago but was getting poor speeds so purchased a NordVPN account with the intent of switching over. I got distracted with other things for a couple of weeks and suddenly noticed that speeds improved dramatically, after some investigation it appears that ProtonVPN moved their hosting and now were on par with Nord. So I've left it as-is and just use the Nord account when travelling overseas as they have more servers around the world than Proton.

    I started using a VPN as a result of the metadata collection, but have since changed a number of my daily habits to try and limit the amount of data that can be collected by GAFAM. Sure it is near impossible to entirely remove tracking completely, but I don't want to make it too easy for them.
     
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    I use NordVPN - but tbh, wouldnt touch them with a ten foot barge pole now. Not since they removed the ability to cancel the service. They dont respond to mail and so you are left with having to manually inform them you are cancelling the service combined with blocking payment to them.
     
  20. GumbyNoTalent

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    https://panopticlick.eff.org/
    https://amiunique.org/fp

    Browser Fingerprint
    https://pixelprivacy.com/resources/browser-fingerprinting/
    https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/choosing-vpn-thats-right-you

    EFF have resources to help you understand the scale you are being tracked, and plenty of reasons why it shouldn't be allowed.
     
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