Wanting to speak to an advanced programmer for an idea I've got.

Discussion in 'Programming & Software Development' started by mr_mordred2095, Sep 12, 2008.

  1. Luke212

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    yes you have something useful to say. Im highlighting the part that you identify yourself as rash - your first statement is anachronous. years ago you could generalise a forum poster, but these days it is very common for social people to visit a forum, facebook, myspace, et al.
     
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    Valuable for parents who don't care about the relationship with their kids or their future values... "Spying" is just plain wrong, whichever way you try to spin it.
     
  3. stmok

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    That's the disadvantage of making software that is so easy to use that you don't learn anything. It further promotes the unwillingness to learn and impatience. (You will have a bunch of incompetent users who will whinge if something doesn't work). It puts parents at a tactical disadvantage if their kids are actively learning and getting competent with technology.

    Correct. It sends a message of "I don't trust you."
    (Its a contradiction in itself...How can you have relationships without trust?)

    If a parent puts the effort into really knowing their child, they build a foundation of trust and responsibility. They wouldn't need to spend money on filtering, content enforcement, or spying. (And any other technological quick fixes).



    Anyway, we should let this implementation (whatever the OP is doing) pan out...There's really very little to discuss if there is no code to show for it. I'll reserve judgement until a working product is available.
     
  4. MATTATHOME

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    Not to get to far of topic here but that's a little narrow minded. Trusting your child does not stop an errant miss-click and a page of hardcore porn popping up. This is something a filter will help with.

    back on topic. I hope it all goes well and you make a million. Just dont forget the guys at OCAU when your bill gates.

    MATT
     
  5. stmok

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    You're reading the word trust, but you conveniently leave out responsibility.

    If a child knows and practices responsibility, (which a parent should actively promote and become an example of), do you honestly think they'll care if a porn pop-up appears? In my experience, they'll just close it and move on to what they were doing. More often than not, porn doesn't suddenly appear unless you expressly look for it.

    You can try to "protect" and "shield" your child from things that you know aren't good for them, but you can't protect them forever. Its extremely likely you'll end up playing cat and mouse games with them using technology. (You set up a filter, they'll bypass it.)

    The other way is to educate children about the bad crap in the world. To teach them to become mature and responsible adults. So they'll know how to handle themselves when they encounter life's challenges. This is what parenting is supposed to be about.
     
  6. FearTec

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    Lets just say so far the code is made up of an NT service that does the majority of the work elevated access, encryption and file management via API's, there are some other apps for lower level feedback to clients (at their level of access).

    The proof of concept apps have been done for a while and are solid.

    There will be further development on expanding the multi threading code.

    Now the apps are being generated and polished and tested in Vista and XP, work has been done on the setup package and post setup configuration wizards.
     
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    So is this going to be any use if you have say, an ASUS mainboard with ExpressGate which get's you online in seconds?
     
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    I'm not going to aim the product at the embedded software market just yet, though it's certainly something for the future. FearTec has been doing some fantastic work on the product, and I don't think I honestly could have asked for someone with more skill, the man definitely deserves a mention for his efforts. I've rewarded his efforts with some fresh silicon straight off the shelf. Planning to announce a release of the product by mid-November.

    Still working on the website and how the product's going to be sold. I'm still undecided whether to market it as a service, a retail product for others, or as both.

    The coming weeks will certainly be very interesting times for FearTec and myself.
     
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  9. Luke212

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    how does it go with company firewalls? and have u been able to do any load testing yet?
     
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    Firewall progress is going great. Just wrapping up the program now. Anyone here really good with Adobe Flash? :p
     
  11. Bradzac

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    So... Update?
     
  12. SteakTheMooCow

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    Heh... Already have a working prototype at my place on my mother's PC; have had it for seven months now. My sister has been monitored.

    The problem with Macs is hiding a process from 'top.' That said my sister did not even know there was a terminal, let alone how to use top.

    Come to think of it, that's just a Python daemon...

    The Java version is sitting around half-done for the Windows PC but was going across to the Macs when the Python version went out.

    Regarding the OPs position I will not drop this on Sourceforge in the near future, there is more work to be done, and at this point I wish him luck with his product :) That said, I am also not giving out the code and probably licensing it under GPLv2 instead or BSD, which is unusual for me.

    I just wonder how much information he's saving to disk, in what format, how he's hiding that from the person in question.

    The second prototype sits on the gateway/router and logs every hit to facebook -- myspace is blocked on this network. My parents and I do not use Facebook so there is no concern from us.

    As for "privacy" it is well understood that if you have something to hide from your parents you probably should not be doing it (exceptions include birthday and Christmas presents, good surprises, etc.).

    EDIT: This is not a challenge, just me saying that if anyone has heard me mention a similar product I will let this thread's product have a run before I decide to do some final code clean up and release it. (Yes, GPLed). Besides, I get the feeling that my Mac/Linux/BSD target is different...
     
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  13. fenerli

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    It's always interesting to see a unique idea come into fruition however I don't see where this is heading.

    Let's assume that the developer is as good as you say (front ends are deceiving), and that there is a target market audience.

    Now, besides the fact you are competing against software such as NetNanny and Windows' own parental controls and Vista and the next Windows, you are relying on parental mistrust and acceptance from children who find this out, either by way of their tech savvy friend when they are diagnosing or fixing a problem with the computer or perhaps finding out themselves. Next, the parents who don't care enough to gain the trust they should have won't care to pay much for something relatively unknown, if they find it. Your idea would be better suited as part of a security suite in my opinion.

    Anyway, I could easily be proven wrong and I'm still interested.

    Good luck.
     
  14. SteakTheMooCow

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    I would argue the problem is more that a simple tun/tap interface could be employed to proxy/filter with very little configuring, regardless of the OS.

    The competition is pretty fierce and I only wrote what I did because it was needed in a hurry and a quick search gave no free options.

    The next revision was going to be a TUN/TAP type implementation. Sure, it's visible, but there are ways to stop people messing with it and it stops other internet usage (gaming, email, whatever) from being hit with the same harsh restrictions...

    That said, Norton Internet Security does a similar thing and I think it is the devil.
     
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    If you want to hide it, why not install a kernel module rootkit. :) Intercept the system calls that get process information and filter it out.
     
  16. Elyzion

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    FAIL. If this is any software to monitor someone and its running off java that just epic fail.
     
  17. KNoodles

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    Will it be ready for xmas?
     
  18. flightcrank

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    so hows this all going ? millionaires yet ?
     
  19. Smashwa

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    Do we even know what the app was for?

    Im going to guess they spent ages on it, then OPs parent were like "wtf..no" and then it fizzled out.
     
  20. FarZK

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    OP's profile still states Retail Monkey so i'm guessing nope.
     

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