Wanting to speak to an advanced programmer for an idea I've got.

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  1. flip550

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    Agreed, we want updates!
     
  2. Luke212

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    one out of maybe a septillion good ideas will actually make money :/
     
  3. SaTaN

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    but thanks to the general stupidity of people not all ideas that do make money need be good :p
     
  4. purehybrid

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    Ohhh... bumping this without real updates from OP is just mean. :(
     
  5. eskimogenius

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    I bet this is the type of monitoring program that allows a parent to watch what their kids are doing.
     
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    Quick update. It was the following:

    Providing a large-scale service to businesses/families on a $$p/h basis. The program was in the large part made, and a beta version completed, but the dev and I have lost touch over time. The program allowed me to view a large amount of screenshots at a time, which are constantly sent from the client PCs over multiple monitors. These screenshots could also be enlarged for closer viewing. These screenshots are permanantly held on a server, and my monitoring client grabs these screenshots and displays them on my monitoring app. This also allows for "back-tracking". The way it was all set up was quite simple really.

    Basically selling a service for $2/hour for monitoring kids/employees/whatever. Doesn't sound like a lot, but if you nab a corporate client....

    There's plenty of paranoid people out there, that think their kids are going to be stolen by the internet, and are more than willing to pay @/hr for their "safety". Also, I've also spoken to some large-ish businesses that said they would be happy to pay another $20 a day to make sure their employee was actually doing work.

    All kind of fell by the wayside I guess, that said, Fearby is an amazing programmer!
     
  7. purehybrid

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    So if it is pretty much complete, and you have prospective clients, why aren't you putting on the final tweaks to get it up and running?

    I assume you'd be hiring employees to do the actual monitoring? At which point I guess you would have to have ~10 client machines being supervised, per employee, just to break even. Is a maximum of 6minutes/hr of supervision enough for your clients to accept the cost?

    What advantages does your 'active' monitoring really provide, over the standard passive logging alert and review techniques? Not trying to pester, I'm just curious as to how you got this far, then dropped it, lol.
     
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    A single employee with 2 decent large screens can watch 100 people at once. 10x10 grid on left side, 2x2 grid on right side which cycles through the left screen grid.

    100 x $2 per employee per hour...
     
  9. flightcrank

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    im not surprised it failed.

    why would an employer hire 100 people it has to pay someone else an hourly rate to spy on.

    most computers on a network cant be controlled limited to do only what and employer requires. most Operating systems have logs only admins can access.

    this thing never had a chance in a million years.
     
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  10. flightcrank

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    also if you were a bit more forthcoming in your OP people here could have saved you and the devloper allot of time.

    who for what ever reason wasted his/her time coding this assuming they actually did code anything at all. as i find it hard to believe that a dev with half a clue would even attempt wasting there time with a project like this.

    im not trying to sound harsh. sub7 trojan among many others have functionality like this albeit for different motives.

    but most developers are pretty clued in and having, to quote your OP "possibly make a lot of money" and "people I've spoken to think it's an epic idea" sounds like something a kid would say..
     
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    Wake up on the wrong side of the bed did we?

    A couple of businesses I've spoken to think it was a fantastic idea that an extra $2 an hour to guarantee their employee wasn't looking at porn, playing games, facebook or watching movies while their supposed to be working, is a great idea. Productivity ++. You'd also be surprised how many paranoid parents are out there, that think the internet is going to steal away their child, and have no qualms about having someone spy on their kid (I have blue card, other employees would too).

    The program had the ability to lock the process, so you can't just alt+ctl+del it, you had to kill it with a password, and did a similar thing with it's files that required it to run. This had been testes and working.

    Lots of companies outsource their services, why would this be any different?

    edit: Why you so mad?
     
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    like i said im not trying to sound hash, altho i realize it was a bit. its just obviously a bad idea is all. you can just block facebook ip/domain at a router level. why pay someone $2/hr per person to sift through thousands of images.

    computers can be restricted to not allow any games installed without admin rights. websites can be blocked. i mean which businesses exactly thought this was a good idea ? microsoft ? telstra ? lol

    im sorry i just fail to see the part of the idea where "make a lot of money" and "epic idea" comes into it. just trying to be a bit realistic is all.

    how the patent going ?

    so if the application is finished now, and works as you say. why not sell it for hundreds of thousands and get rich quick
     
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    I dont see how it 'guarantees' as you put it. It may be a preventative, but no way a guarantee.

    I also cannot see a case for families paying an hourly fee for this service.
     
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    Everyone stop being such negative nancies, if the idea works good on him, if it doesn't then I'm sure he has learned something anyway.

    God some of you can be overly critical at times.
     
  15. Mikos

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    I think charging per hour would be the wrong way to do it, as it's way too finicky (sp?) to work out how much to charge + monitor the usage. Would probably be better off with some kind of yearly/monthly subscription fee that just allows unlimited access for x machines.

    But as mentioned prevention is better than cure, and the company should really just block those nasty pron websites if they don't want their employees browsing it (or parents/kids etc.). I think a cooler feature would be monitoring when applications start/stop & what is in focus, the rate of keyboard strokes / mouse movement, and whatnot. You could then use this data to roughly monitor how much work people are doing (although it would be highly dependent on the type of job).

    The other problem is the boss/company isn't really going to want to hire someone just to watch these screens all day to make sure nobody is looking up porn, and nobody is going to want to sift through 1000's of screenshot log to see what happened for the day. And if they aren't watching it at all hours, it defeats the whole purpose of the system as it would be easy to miss when an employee is doing their dirty work. An event driven style would be much better where it logs an alert when it detects something bad happening & tags a screenshot.

    Anyway at the end of the day I think any company that is so anal that they need/want this kind of system has general trust problems to address first. We don't have any filters on our internet here at work, I could browse porn all day if I wanted, but it's not something I do. If the boss asks me "hey dude what you doing at the moment?" I'll tell him upfront I'm posting on ocau / reading the news / watching something on youtube.
     
  16. purehybrid

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    I think a lot of people in this thread, are underestimating the paranoia of some parents, as well as the disposable income of said parents.

    I also think people are underestimating the stupidity of some managers, and how much they'd love another controlling powertrip.

    I think he has the basis of a decent product here. Some suggestions above could easily be implimented. For example - his auto refreshing display of 100 targets, could easily be made dynamic, such that a central server would decide which subscribed pc's were active, and assign them to employees dynamically. Each subscribed pc could be given a list of 'alerts', that when detected, would place a red border or something around that grid cell, alerting the supervisor to take a closer look.

    I also think a monthly subscription per user would be a better idea. It could be tiered, so that parents wanting their kids supervised for the afterschool hours, could pay $50 a month or something (more if you are targeting those rich-with-parents-always-working families), while companies would be paying an average of say $1 * 9hr day * 5day week * 4 = $180 per month per employee.

    Again hours of supervision can be handled by your main server, allowing the grids to be populated dynamically, and spreading the workload among your currently on-duty supervisors.
     
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    "Sir, the reason you are having trouble with your computer, is because its not a computer, its a breifcase"

    IT crowd summed that up perfectly.
     
  18. hyperstyle

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    For sure. I actually think billing per hour is the way to go. As a business or parent i think you would have to have rocks in your head if you wanted to monitor all your employees / children this way. But say for example you suspect someone is up to no good but not real sure, then this would be a cheap way of monitoring them.
     
  19. Smashwa

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    Wait, that was your awesome idea to get rich? hmm...


    :lol:
     
  20. flightcrank

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    2 years later still no payday...
     

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