Western Digital VelociRaptor VR200M Series..Up to 600GB!

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  1. DiGiTaL MoNkEY

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    they need to be mighty cheap for ppl to sway away from a $160 40gb intel ssd + 7200rpm :p

    or even us with older raptors :)
     
  3. greenhawk

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    I agree, they can not have a silly price like they use to.

    that being said, the listing of a 2.5" and a 3.5" drive means to me that the height of the drive will be 9.5mm (standard) which is a nice change. the 3.5" will ust have a heat sink as before (though if that image is correct, they are not in the correct location again unless their is a adaport).

    145MB/s to/from disk sustained is interesting. Minimum write speed is expected to be 145MB/s (generally the slowest speed for a drive). Will be interesting to see peak write and espically the read speeds.

    going to butcher any cheap SSD on release. Will have to see where it goes from their though.

    definitly worth think about replacing my first gen 74GB raptor as my programs drive (boot/os replaced already with a 80GB intel x25-m SSD).
     
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  4. rowan194

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    The VR300 has been "hotswap ready" for a while, there's a small PCB to fix up the offset between the 2.5" and 3.5" connectors. Looks like a similar arrangement for the newer models... assuming this is legit and not just someone fooling around with photoshop. :)
     
  5. saba

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    For a similar pricing you can get 15k rpm drives with much better figures; storage excluded.

    These seem to be the same as 10k SAS drives offered by most manufacturers, except on a SATA interface.
     
  6. 3Tone

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    That is exactly what they are.

    I don't know, I'm actually looking forward to these drives. I think SSDs are still a pile of shit (what with TRIM and wiper and all this other crap that's needed). When these things are not needed and capacities increase, I will jump on one. Until then I might buy one of these.
     
  7. greenhawk

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    a few points.

    a) only seen this post and it's link, no mention of prices yet as I can see.
    b) SAS drive with sata interface. Given the SAS protocol is a superset of the SATA spec, that is no supprise.
    c) price, 15K, better performance, you just described most SSD drives as well.

    Personally, I want to see actual tests and retail prices before pointing the finger at WD and going "nar nar" or similar.
     
  8. Menthu_Rae

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    I have a 150GB Raptor ADFD and a 64GB G.Skill Falcon I. I have never run wiper.sh/wiper.exe and my performance is only down ~20% from when I first got it - and it's still much faster than any HDD for general use:

    Original Benchmarks - September 2009:

    Code:
    user@userspc:~/Desktop$ sudo ./hddbenchmark /dev/sda
    [block_size][%][read_speed]
    Graph limit: 300MB/s
    Test file: 100MB
    
       [2kB][===                           ][36MB/s]
       [4kB][=====                         ][57MB/s]
       [8kB][========                      ][89MB/s]
      [16kB][============                  ][125MB/s]
      [32kB][==================            ][185MB/s]
      [64kB][======================        ][224MB/s]
     [128kB][======================        ][228MB/s]
     [256kB][=======================       ][235MB/s]
     [512kB][========================      ][242MB/s]
    [1024kB][========================      ][243MB/s]
    [2048kB][========================      ][243MB/s]
    [4096kB][========================      ][244MB/s]
    [8192kB][========================      ][244MB/s]
    Benchmarks after 3 months of use, no TRIM/Wiper:

    Code:
    user@userspc:~/Desktop$ sudo ./hddbenchmark /dev/sda
    [block_size][%][read_speed]
    Graph limit: 300MB/s
    Test file: 100MB
    
       [2kB][===                           ][36MB/s]
       [4kB][=====                         ][56MB/s]
       [8kB][========                      ][88MB/s]
      [16kB][============                  ][122MB/s]
      [32kB][================              ][168MB/s]
      [64kB][====================          ][201MB/s]
     [128kB][====================          ][208MB/s]
     [256kB][=====================         ][211MB/s]
     [512kB][=====================         ][214MB/s]
    [1024kB][=====================         ][214MB/s]
    [2048kB][=====================         ][214MB/s]
    [4096kB][=====================         ][215MB/s]
    [8192kB][=====================         ][214MB/s]
    Benchmarks after 7 months of Use, no TRIM/Wiper:

    Code:
    user@userspc:~/Desktop$ sudo ./hddbenchmark /dev/sda
    [block_size][%][read_speed]
    Graph limit: 300MB/s
    Test file: 100MB
    
       [2kB][===                           ][35MB/s]
       [4kB][=====                         ][56MB/s]
       [8kB][========                      ][85MB/s]
      [16kB][===========                   ][117MB/s]
      [32kB][===============               ][159MB/s]
      [64kB][==================            ][187MB/s]
     [128kB][==================            ][187MB/s]
     [256kB][===================           ][193MB/s]
     [512kB][===================           ][196MB/s]
    [1024kB][===================           ][196MB/s]
    [2048kB][===================           ][196MB/s]
    [4096kB][===================           ][196MB/s]
    [8192kB][===================           ][196MB/s]
     
  9. 3Tone

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    Yes they are still damn fast I'll give them that but what I'm saying is that any performance drop from when new is inexcusable. Also capacities are prohibiting. I need at least a 200GB System drive (no I'm not willing to split my apps from my OS, it gets too messy).

    I'm willing to sacrifice some performance for a complete and robust solution.
     
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    i have 4x vr300 in raid 0 + raid 5..

    no hardware prblems..

    i would like, a sata 2 15000 rpm hdd

    but event ssd at 400+mb/sec sata 6 will happen..


    whats the point of sata 3.. for this new model.. it does not use up sata 2 bandwidth...(maybe just sata 1)+overhead...

    current sata 3..

    marvel sata 3(6) 2 channel.. badly written driver performance..

    intel onboard (motherboard) raid/non raid drivers.. much faster

    we need intel sata3 chipset etc...
     
  11. Menthu_Rae

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    Each to his own. Personally I waited until SSDs had decent controllers/no stuttering... I went with the capacity I needed for the OS that I run (Ubuntu) and I haven't looked back.

    I have every app I'll ever need installed, alongside the OS - and all up I've used 22GB :lol: The performance drop, whilst there, as I said, isn't noticeable. Daily OS usage on this thing is just unbelievable - I never have to wait for anything :)

    Seriously - if you haven't tried a system with a decent SSD, I suggest you do. Until you've used one - you don't know exactly what you're missing.
     
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    Damn it! That's what everyone says. :p

    I suppose as a bare minimum I could settle for a 160GB Intel G2. Well if I find one for a good price I may pull the trigger.
     
  13. saba

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    SAS interfaces are keyed differently too; you can't plug a SAS device into a SATA port, but you can vice versa.
    15k drives have been out for well over 5+ years now, SSD's are new whizbang trickling down to consumer level.
    10k rpm drives are well established. If WD can't offer comparable pricing then there's no point buying them.
     
  14. Dezza Bot

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    Where is my 15k SATA drive? I'm not buying a SAS controller for my desktop. Juggling two drives is also a pain for me because of how I use this pc, and therefore ssds are too expensive or too small.
     
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    just get an x58 with sas onboard :p
     
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    im struggling to find where it says 9.5mm. it CLEARLY says 15mm in the specs on that image :)

    im not sure how one correlates disk width with height. there is no fixed ratio. ive had a few 15mm height 3.5" hdds.
     
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    My Ubuntu install is currently using under 4gb for the system install and I haven't really cut it down haha
     
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    After spending a total of $730 (sas board + 300gb 15k sas drive) suddenly a big ssd looks like value for money :lol:
     
  19. Pianist

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    intresting, i think if they can get the pricing right they will sell well, as there isn't really a high speed drive for os and games that fits between the current 160gb x25-m and a 300gb veloci. The intel 40gb is nice and all but 40gb is basically windows 7 and a few programs. On my 160 x25-m gen 2 im looking at 67 gb free after windows 7 ultimate and a few games (tf2, dragon age, mw2, hon). Ive had to split some games I dont play as much onto my 500gb applications drive since I didint want to eat the space away too much. These could turn out to be very nice game dump drives.
     
  20. saba

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    You know, I don't know. You'd imagine with the popularity of the Raptor drives that they would go up a notch to 15k...

    As for a controller, I have a pair of SAS ports onboard my Asus i7 board. Most of the raid cards people are buying around here for storage are actually SAS compatible, and just filling them with SATA drives.
     

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