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Discussion in 'Video Cards & Monitors' started by summoner, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. walker_2003

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    I thought for a second my 1660ti was playing Alyx fine but VR fps are different to the usual. Head movement is fine but animations of other things ere choppy and I couldn't handle it. As long as other stuff moves smoothly you be fine. 1080 would do decent on Alyx.
     
  2. bart5986

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    VR performance in general can be hard to understand and compare because Steam motion smoothing or the games's dynamic resolution/settings are often active.

    Even lower end cards like the 1070 Ti are fine for VR, the main problem is how much aliasing are you willing to put up with? Once you see what higher rendering resolution looks like you can understand many people that suggest a 3080 for VR.

    The headset resolution and FoV has a lot to do with it as well but its important to remember that even the old school generation 1 HTC Vive and Oculus headsets benefited a lot from having the rendering resolution raised significantly above normal levels.
     
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  3. The Beast

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    Don’t forget there is VR Mark, can’t remember what you can access in the free version as I bought it ages ago I think, but it is a useful metric to compare rigs.

    I’ll post some of my 6700K / 1080Ti (what I used to VR with) versus my current 3700X / 3080 rig.

    EDIT:
    VRMark Blue test (most intensive) resolution 5120 x 2880 (14,745,600)
    Note for comparison:
    The Reverb G2 is 4320 x 2160 (9,331,200)
    The Quest 2 is 3664 x 1920 (7,034,880)

    These are both heavily overclocked (but stable) machines, the 3080 has a little more to give because it's not on water yet:

    6700K / 1080Ti
    Score - 3288
    AVG FPS - 71.69

    3700X / 3080
    Score - 5747
    AVG FPS - 125.29

    Result (3dmark.com)
     
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  4. datfreak

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    So thinking of getting a quest 2. At $480 it seems like a good deal but yeah fb.
    questions to those that have one.
    If I link it to a second fb account and it gets banned/deleted can I reset the q2 to link with another fb account or is it bricked?
    If I'm using the q2 thru virtual desktop as pcvr does fb still collect data?
    Funny if the whole family is using the headset, and someone looks at fun/adult stuff, fb will announce datfreak is watching vrporn.com to the elderly relatives.
     
  5. bart5986

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    I can't answer your questions exactly but I'm using my Quest 2 completely offline. I simply sideloaded all the apk's and it seems to be happy to work offline. So that means if my second facebook account or headset is banned it doesn't matter since I didn't even buy the apps/games :lol:
     
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  7. The Beast

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    I don't think the desk equipment is motion tracked, it's just installed it the right 'physical' position. This looks like it would be very hard/finicky to align... and if the buttons on the MFD aren't exactly aligned to the VR world there will be mis-selections galore. Not to mention DCS doesn't track your hands, so when you're in VR you're still flying blind (excuse the pun) when it comes to physical MFD selection.

    Much prefer voice recognition in this scenario, voice attack FTW.
     
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  9. grrrr

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    Finicky maybe but not hard.

    Step 1. Press oculus button to reset view.
    If the joystick is out of place then:
    Step 2. Move head a bit
    Step 3. Press oculus button to reset view.
    If the joystick is still out of place then repeat steps 2 and 3.

    Finicky maybe but not hard.
     
  10. walker_2003

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    Non fancy VR games like beat saber yes. Stuff like Alyx no.

    Arguably some of the best VR games aren't too fancy graphically so should still have a good time.
     
  11. Duff Man

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    You'd be surprised what Alyx can run with but I agree that video card wouldn't keep up with the latest games. If you can get 45fps, Oculus ASW could save you bit you will have to check if your video card is supported on their website
     
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    Nice! test is a little older but good to go it seems.
     
  14. The Beast

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    Depends a LOT on the headset in question. You might be able to run low overhead VR with an original Rift or Vive as they are lower res than the headsets of today, but honestly that R9 390 is going to struggle.

    That Steam VR test is very old now - resolution is not indicative of the headsets on the market today.
    To give you an idea, the 980Ti was already maxing it out - more on that below because I have my 980Ti and 1080Ti VR scores.
    This old Tom's Hardware chart will give you an idea of how it scales, and next to it is my current results with a 3080. The needle is literally pegged.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    The problem is that the Steam VR Test was designed for the first Vive and Rift which were 1080 x 1200 per eye, or 2,592,000 total pixels
    By contrast, even the Quest 2 (which is not the highest resolution mainstream headset) is 1832 x 1920 per eye, which equates to 7,034,880 total pixels
    The HP Reverb G2 is 2160 x 2160 per eye, so 9,331,200 total pixels.

    What I have found better as a synthetic tool is VR Mark (3D Mark made) I think you can run the Orange test for free.

    The Orange and Cyan tests are 3,051,872 total pixels, so slightly above a Vive or Rift.
    The Blue test is a whopping 14,745,600 total pixels - WAY more than an Oculus Quest 2 or the G2.

    So here are some comparisons of my machines going back to 2017 with a 980Ti, 1080Ti and now 3080.

    Orange test - 980Ti vs 3080
    [​IMG]

    Cyan test - 1080Ti vs 3080
    [​IMG]

    Blue test - 980Ti vs 1080Ti vs 3080 (3700X CPU) vs 3080 (5800X CPU)

    [​IMG]


    My 1080Ti was running HL Alyx "ok" with the Quest 2, but only just. The R9 390 is going to be a fair way behind.

    On a positive note, you can get a Quest 2 and see how it goes - see which PC titles you can run. If it truly is a potato then you can fall back on the Oculus stand-alone VR library which is pretty damn good these days so even if your PC isn't VR ready yet you won't be stuck being unable to play. Also, you can sideload the Quest, and there are a lot of free/cheap 3rd party games/experiences to enjoy.
     
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  15. bart5986

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    VR eats up graphics cards.

    While any graphics card after the 290x can run VR to some degree, the resolution of your VR render means that you'll want a lot more.

    The main reason for this is that even stock standard VR resolution with standard settings is a blurry and unpleasant in my opinion, you need a lot of anti aliasing or a nice bump in render scale which is a very steep hill in performance requirements to the point where a 3080 will struggle before you stop noticing improvements in quality.


    The 390 will have a huge list of games that will run well and look good, but these might not be the games you want to play as its generally the more simple games (like beat saber), and most of the others are games that you'll play for 20 minutes and want to play something else.

    I think you'll quickly realise that high graphics games are not pleasant for two reasons, you'll feel like you are going blind due to the low resolution you'll require which makes everything blurry, or you will feel like you are sick from the low frame rate and the motion smoothing not doing a good enough job of saving it.

    Part of this also depends on you in particular, many people find lower refresh rates uncomfortable, I can't stand 72/80hz, 90hz is ok, but 120/144hz is the sweet spot. The Oculus Quest 2 supports 120hz but will demand a lot more from your GPU and CPU. Your 390 will go far at 72hz but I don't think you'll want to play that low...

    My suggestion is not to buy VR (or just use the oculus 2 standalone) unless you have the ability to upgrade your GPU if your games require it, and also never buy VR unless you can achieve 90fps in your favourite VR games.
     
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  16. Frag

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    Question - I have a second hand Rift CV which I have been using.. to be fair lately only really playing some fitness type apps (Pistol Whip, Box VR and Beat Sabre)

    I am thinking of jumping on the Oculus 2 bandwagon as its only $420 through the amazon deal + the link cable.

    Anyone who has owned both these able to give me some first hand experiences? I want to play Half Life and even the walking dead game.. PC should be fine for a good experience with a 3080 (soon to be 3080ti).

    My concern at the moment is tracking.. the tracking I have in Rift CV is great and worried that the Oculus will be sub par and ruin the immersion. Any local advice would be welcome :)
     
  17. bart5986

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    The Oculus 2 tracking is good enough, especially for things like beat saber.

    Personally I find it quite a downgrade compared to my lighthouse setup (HTC Lighthouses with Pimax Headset), but it depends on the situation.

    For example in Beat saber the update rate of the controller tracking seems to be slower, so I notice it when flailing my arms around, its not as smooth/accurate. But most people wouldn't notice that.

    The bigger issue I notice is that you lose tracking completely or it goes crazy if your arms are not towards the front. You probably won't notice this in many games due to where your arms should be, I noticed it in onward a lot.
     
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    Thanks, at $420 though seems like a great deal.. Ive been holding out playing the better games due to resolution and from what i can see the oculus 2 is a pretty nice upgrade in this regard :) Might be nice of FS2020
     
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    It is a great deal, what I failed to mention was the cost of lighthouses + Pimax/HTC/Valve, which makes the Quest 2 insane value (Although as we know Facebook sells it below the normal cost due to things like advertising in the headset)

    The only way the lighthouses become reasonable value is that you keep them across VR generations like I have, assuming (and I'm hoping) they the premium way to track VR.
     
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  20. grrrr

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    So with the prime day sales I bought some more games for the O Q2....

    1 Moss is punching above its weight @ $25ish. Simple puzzles and the mouse will give you hints... but the graphics and the seated play so newbies are less likey to get motion sickness means i need to strap my parents into that one again.
    2 I got Death Horizon to play with a mate. Had a quick solo play and it seems good. Too early to pass a proper judgement. If you have it and would like some one to play multiplayer with let me know.
    3 Orbus VR reborn, I made a toon and died in a dungeon and dont know what to do ... i went to the pet trainer and met a paywall... so i quit that to try something else. I need more time to work out what a newbie needs to do to level up enough to join a dungeon raid...

    And just prior to the sale I bought Acron, For those not familiar, the person in VR is a tree and you through acorns at the squirrels trying to steal your golden acorns. You can have up to 8 squirrels trying to steal your golden acorns. Those squirrels can be real life people playing on phones or tablets. Ive only played with the family and the tree wins.... unless my kids are playing as the tree... However I think if i took the quest 2 work and played with 8 electrical engineers we would pretty quickly work out strats to beat the tree. (I already have a few ideas).
     

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