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Windows 365 announced and yes dear god I wish this was a joke but it's not.

Discussion in 'Windows Operating Systems' started by metamorphosis, Jul 15, 2021.

  1. metamorphosis

    metamorphosis Member

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    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/mic...-personal-computing-the-windows-365-cloud-pc/

    "Today we’re excited to announce Windows 365, a cloud service that introduces a new way to experience Windows 10 or Windows 11 (when it’s generally available later this calendar year) for workers from interns and contractors to software developers and industrial designers. Windows 365 takes the operating system to the Microsoft Cloud, securely streaming the full Windows experience—including all your apps, data, and settings—to your personal or corporate devices. This approach creates a fully new personal computing category, specifically for the hybrid world: the Cloud PC."

    So, Windows 11 not supporting old machines is likely partially to push low-income/business users to buy low-grade thin clients designed to run from the cloud.

    Yuck. Given all the hideous problems I'm seeing with even dropbox sync speeds, I don't think the world is in any way shape or form ready for this.
     
  2. NSanity

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    siri what is VDI and where have i been for the last 20 years?
     
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  3. millsy

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    If you're having issues with slow transfer speeds moving that whole workload to the cloud would theoretically improve them as it'd be DC to DC :)

    I think this is a pretty great option for quite a number of scenarios, e.g. low cost deployments of workstations, only using windows on demand and whatnot.

     
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    like who the fuck actually cares - look at macbook users - its just a glorified safari machine with more battery life.

    This is a more than adequate solution for *far* more of the population than you would ever think about. Most of the population can do what they need on a computer with a browser and an office application.

    Well resourced/deployed/located VDI has been adequate for at least 10 years (basically since we ran it on flash - but there was exceptions to that). VDI has always failed to meet ROI/TCO in price - and if MS fixes that angle (which has *always* been an inflated licensing one - not a hardware one) then it will be a winner.

    millsy is on-point with the DC to DC thing - a cornerstone of VDI has been that there is less data used in bringing the desktop to the user than brining the data to the user.
     
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    Clearly the OP is not the target market for such a platform but others are.
     
  6. millsy

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    This is a platform for ranting not thinking good sir

    Bringing back memories of me having to log into Citrix to download a file from teams and upload it to another cloud service because my residential net sucked, but work net was great :D
     
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    I mean sure NSanity. The new MacBook is just a glorified phone and then OSX will merge into the iOS and whatever.

    It also means people can fuck off with Citrix and other implementations too
     
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    such a novel concept, who would have thought DaaS would be a thing.
     
  10. millsy

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    Imagine buying tin for VDI's now :Paranoid:
     
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    Depends entirely on MS's pricing of the licensing and compute. But like all things cloud, you can do it cheaper at home if you need anything more than general unwashed masses performance.

    Also if they fix their godawful lifecycle/application/profile management for people at scale.
     
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  12. millsy

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    I'm super curious to see pricing on this, I think that'll really set the scene for where this is going.
     
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  13. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    I can't even begin to tell you how happy this makes me.

    Fuck box huggers, cloud all the things.

    VDI is 100% out of reach for small business. Enterprise, sure, throw a hundred low paid Windows admins at the problem to deal with your many-thousands strong fleet of Excel-lickers.

    What Windows 365 does is mean average businesses can use the same tools the big guys can without needing to worry about blowing half a mill a year on right-clicker wages.

    Tools that kill off low end "IT janitors" make me very happy.
     
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    How does one boot from the cloud, and if net goes down so does your system?
     
  15. NSanity

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    linuxdad i addressed this.

    I'll qualify that a bit more - at scale it worked.

    Then again, I've not done the numbers for ass hats who still huggin' gold images or ludicrous application catalogs - in which VDI will absolutely make better sense if you actually keep current in terms of Windows Feature Releases - because an annual release cycle even via something like SCCM is aids.
     
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    so Microsoft finally got into porn streaming.
     
  17. NSanity

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    siri wat is a browser.
     
  18. millsy

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    Given the vast majority of LOB apps need the internet these days, if your org hasn't got contingencies in place you're in trouble.

    Otherwise, if that's a genuine issue for you (say you're in the boondocks) this absolutely isn't for you
     
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  20. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    Have you worked in an office in the last decade? If net goes down, everyone goes to the pub.

    Beyond that, "if net goes down" ignores that most businesses fuck everything up anyway, and outages from bad IT still outweigh outages from cloud vendors doing dumb things (even in Microsoft's case where they're at "two nines" at best).

    And with 95% of businesses (by number of businesses) in AU/NZ qualifying as "small to medium", "scale" means it's out of reach for millions of people.

    "Well resourced" is a hilarious word to hear in 2021 mid COVID. Do you get your own gold-plated toilet seat too? :lol:

    I spent all yesterday in meetings talking about endless budget cuts across three different clients. Nobody's got budget for anything, certainly not "well resourced VDI". Microsoft win this by default if pricing falls into "reasonable per-month" levels.

    And let's be fair, this is how Microsoft won *everything*. They were never the best at anything. They were always "good enough, and reasonably priced". This is their whole MO, and the whole reason they are where they are and why people don't bother with far better alternatives.

    Microsoft is the McDonalds of computing, and this is their new Big Mac. Mediocre but cheap and consistent.

    NBNCo != "the world".
     
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